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You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by throw8484949ii »

Barrin92 wrote: post #14
throw8484949ii wrote: post #9

US companies like Meta or Google __LOVE__ GDPR. It is quagmire of complicated rules, and small startups will get burried under this quick sand. Large corporations can maintain departments of lawyers, and navigate this legal minefield. Small fines are cost of doing business, bribe that goverment would not force monopolies to spkit! Try to do marketing ad campaign as small eshop owner in EU!

>US companies like Meta or Google __LOVE__ GDPR If that were the case they'd have spend money on supporting GDPR rather than sending armies of lobbyists to Brussels in an attempt to prevent it, or attempting to turn the US president in an attack dog on their behalf. This generic libertarian talking point "companies love regulations!" is routinely disproved by how companies behave. As the article points out, you know…

Microsoft also hated windows piracy and "fought" against it, later they admitted it helped their business.

As for "libertarian talking point", it is survivor bios. There are very little tech compenies left in EU. Heavy regulation burden is one of the reasons.

All EU companies that could hate GSPR are gone, and their would be owners are just random people on internet.

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Post by DarmokTanagra »

ChrisSD wrote: post #6

Note that GDPR did not mandate the cookie banners we see everywhere today. Those are a form of malicious compliance. Their goal is not to conform to regulation but to undermine the regulation itself in the eyes of the public.

Everyone understands this, it doesn't matter.

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by jampekka »

IanCal wrote: post #24
andai wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I've seen some companies do it in a way that's not a pain in the ass. I'm wondering if that's legal. Because if it is, I also want to do it that way.

It is. It’s also often not necessary at all. You can’t do things with people’s data without either getting consent or basically having a good reason to. I like the ICO pages (uk regulator) for explaining a lot of things like this. If I’m shipping an item to someone I don’t have to ask them if I can keep their address for long enough to send them the item. I do need their permission to use that data to send them marke…

I don't understand why this was downvoted. It's informative and factual.

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by Symbiote »

DarmokTanagra wrote: post #3

I hate the banners, and I am a major privacy advocate. The web has gotten so much uglier as a result of GDPR.

My employer's site has no banners, since we decided not to use any tracking.

We measure our success based on enquiries, orders and so on, not the number of hits to the website.

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by whatsThisBtn4 »

sourcecodeplz wrote: post #35

there is a whole campaign online about hating on the EU & its regulations.

I made a physical product and upon learning European regulations, I quickly decided I was going to spend 0 time designing it for Europe.

If I made millions, sure, pay someone to figure it out.

But I was not going to waste design time early on.

I can't imagine how much this affects small business in Europe.

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by throw8484949ii »

9dev wrote: post #30
throw8484949ii wrote: post #9

US companies like Meta or Google __LOVE__ GDPR. It is quagmire of complicated rules, and small startups will get burried under this quick sand. Large corporations can maintain departments of lawyers, and navigate this legal minefield. Small fines are cost of doing business, bribe that goverment would not force monopolies to spkit! Try to do marketing ad campaign as small eshop owner in EU!

I'm responsible for GDPR in a small European company that processes fairly sensitive data. It's not that complicated as people like you make it out to be - if you're willing to actually try to do the right thing.

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Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by whatsThisBtn4 »

bgarbiak wrote: post #4
seydor wrote: post #2

Cookie banners are already obsolete in the age of AI. Who is wasting time defending it? People don't even care to hate GDPR these days, it's an anacrhonistic regulation from a different era that some EUrocrats like to boast about

The point of the article is not that banners are good; it’s that they would not be needed at all if websites didn’t share all the possible data about their users with hundreds of vendors. Fun fact: the OP blog doesn’t display a GPDR banner.

But did it do anything? I get fingerprinted anyway. I'm geolocated anyway.

I'm a "deny all cookies" if it's an option, but I won't waste time on "customize".

Reminds me of 9/11 security theater

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by leokennis »

sourcecodeplz wrote: post #35

there is a whole campaign online about hating on the EU & its regulations.

Especially Gruber is getting really tiresome. Almost devolving into a “look at them there fruity Yuropeeans with their healthcare and holidays”-level of tech commentary about any minor roadbump big-US-tech encounters in the EU.

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by sajithdilshan »

I worked in a small startup in Berlin and I remember we used to have a person dedicated to handle GDPR stuff. She had to go to Berlin data authority periodically and report status. I was really surprised given how small the company was, why we needed a dedicated person to handle all the bureaucracy. Apparently it was the law.

Also with the new package law in EU. I believe all these laws are how EU creates employment for their citizens. With almost every law they introduce, another new position is created in private as well as government offices and in a slowly aging continent that’s a good way to keep people employed when there isn’t much of a prospect

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by DarmokTanagra »

9dev wrote: post #26
brainwad wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Browsers already had a way to consent to cookies, since the invention of cookies themselves. But the EU didn't consider that _real_ consent.

Treating the browser's "disable cookies" feature as a way to reject consent is not real consent . That cripples many legitimate use cases outright; it's neither accessible nor understandable by normal users; it's a technical defence measure, not a way to consciously reject contractual consent. In contrast, the GDPR demands that you properly ask for consent if you want to process somebody's personal information, infor…

Correct in principle, completely ineffectual and annoying in practice.
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