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Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by esseph »

somenameforme wrote: post #119
nl wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Labor costs are orders of magnitude more than costs added by environmental or labor standards. The average hourly rate in the US is $42.50. In Vietnam is is $6.30, in the Philippines it is $5.40[1] These aren't people living in poverty - they live well. OTOH environmental legislation costs are harder to come by, but [2] estimates around 10% in a number of case studies. To be specific, that would mean US cost would be…

That paper discusses only the effect of increasing energy costs, and seems highly dubious as well. Their conclusion is that increases in energy prices would have a small effect that could even be positive. We got to see what happens after increasing energy prices since 2022. The effects have been neither modest nor positive. They studied only modest changes from the past, but they were speaking of energy costs shifts…

I was coming to comment just on that average, but I'm glad you caught it.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by JKCalhoun »

angry_octet wrote: post #21
bushido wrote: post #2

It was a master stroke in international politics though, the US created an arms race towards sovereign ai, small models, and self-hosting - exactly like they wanted to. (sarcasm intended)

The Iran war and SoH crisis has been great for EV uptake outside of the US. In combination with the US AI apartheid, it has been a huge boost for Chinese EVs and Chinese AI adoption.

And now I think we're going to see a surge of vegetarianism in the U.S.

Good show!

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by newsomix9xl »

nl wrote: post #81
newsomix9xl wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt the Canadians want their economy flooded with Chinese goods ("dumping" - selling goods at less than cost) - which destroys local industry. This was predicted in The Economist awhile back, that if the US blocked Chinese imports a tsunami of Chinese goods would flood other countries and now it's happening. Those countries will also, in turn, erect trade barriers, or suffer the devastation that massive Chinese d…

Accusations of Chinese dumping are cheap and easy to make, but the evidence is pretty mixed. Most actual cases have been of raw materials (eg steel, yarn) and industrial chemicals. I think this is a long way from the alleged "tsunami of Chinese goods". It's also worth noting that many Chinese manufactured goods would mostly substitute for US manufactured goods (eg cars). That's actually the whole point.

China is accused of dumping cars too:

https://euobserver.com/226294/eu-warns-europes-car-industry-...

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by fny »

jimmaswell wrote: post #55
fny wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bush and Obama filed 8 emergency applications across their presidencies (16 years.) The first Trump admin filed 41. Biden filed 19. The second Trump admin filed 32 in 2025 alone.

Ok? This is a total non-sequitur.

I was trying to avoid editorializing by just stating facts that demonstrate the process is beyond some issue of reigning in lower courts and is instead leveraged by politicians to achieve their goals.

I can also editorialize.

In my view, Trump is leveraging the shadow docket to get decisions over turned by members of his own party who don't need to provide detailed (or any) explanations as to why or information about who voted for what.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by noir_lord »

whalesalad wrote: post #138

Unlawful means absolutely nothing these days.

It's the Gish gallop applied to a legal/legislative system - it just can't keep up with the sheer volume of cases that would need to be brought to curtail even the worst of it and that's assuming that if/when it eventually gets in front of the supreme court that that "august" body actually does curtail it.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by ReptileMan »

londons_explore wrote: post #136

Presumably this is going to lead to anthropic getting a big payday from the US gov for all the time their flagship product was banned and all the users they lost due to it

The case is not about that though
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