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Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Grim prediction: "Quantized models are no longer permitted on the Hugging Face platform. Reduced precision models are a safety hazard and a violation of our TOS. Click here to speak with a sales representative about our many exciting cloud hosting offerings or enterprise GPU packages."

Jevons Paradox says no. Even more "efficient" models will increase overall GPU demand and be good for NVIDIA.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Soo, what are they buying exactly? Can I setup a forgejo instance, upload a bunch of open source models to it and get bought out for $13bln? I fail to see the point of this. Their inference hosting is a joke (I don't think I ever had a working response from a "try this model" form). Their brand alone surely is not worth this much. So what are they paying for? I worry the answer is, for control over who is allowed to…

Sometimes I wonder if anybody on this website has ever actually done professional software engineering at scale. What a ridiculous take.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Nvidia's been pretty terrible for open source / free software. No need to quote Linus Torvalds here. They want to control what runs on their hardware. They want to you write code against their proprietary drivers and APIs, not directly against the hardware (which these days of course also contains plenty of software, but still). Don't expect things to go differently this time around. Nvidia wants control over the sof…

I am not sure you need to posit nefarious intent for this to be a bad deal for the industry at large. Basically the only provider of GPUs getting into vertical integration is a classic monopoly move and I hope regulators look very hard at this.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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I remember when people realized gaming cards could be used for general compute (GPGPU) on certain types of parallel numeric work. It was a very cool thing for many types of hackers and science and engineering students and NVIDIA went far out of their way to ensure we could never buy it. The optimal market strategy there (as in a lot of places) wasn't "sell as much as you can". There's often a superior strategy, when…

For the longest time 10-bit color was only available on their professional cards. All it took was a driver update to unlock it on their consumer cards.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Sorry but you're talking absolute nonsense, Europe has no global successes? How about... SAP (Germany) - Most of the Fortune 500 run on their software. Spotify (Sweden) Novo Nordisk (Denmark) - most of America is taking their drugs. Airbus (France) - Has out competed and out delivered Boeing for years. Ericsson and Nokia (Finland and Sweden) - Most of American telecom systems use tech from them, essentially the weste…

If SAP appears in a list of successes then clearly EU is fucked.

Yet on most metrics IBM is a success.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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This acquisition and the Stripe acquisition of OpenRouter are puzzling. Both HF and OR, from a technological standpoint, don't appear to have much IP that cannot be easily replicated. I wonder how much it's worth to Nvidia just to obtain a list of who's downloading which models and for what purpose. Similarly with the Stripe acquisition of OpenRouter. In the past, it would have been valuable to obtain an audience or…

America is headed towards techno zaibatsu economy. Just a product of the dynamics of capital and power. Too much cash, Nvidia is forced to try and find ways to deploy excess capital very quickly. Most efficient way is to absorb players in emerging industries, bet on the potential for growth in new markets to help keep ROI up. It is a great day for startups, the goal is to sell out and get rich, no? INB4 China comes i…

> techno zaibatsu

Reminded of this discussion from a few days ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49389372

We have the techno-feudalism and dystopia but none of the cool aesthetics from cyber punk or arguably even the real Zaibatsu. Nvidia isn’t cool, there’s no interesting aesthetics or back story, it doesn’t appear to have zaibatsu ambitions, it’s just riding a meme stock bubble.

In a different world I can imagine SpaceX to be the only thing that could come close, but well...

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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"In microeconomics, management and international political economy, vertical integration, also referred to as vertical consolidation, is an arrangement in which the supply chain of a company is integrated and owned by that company." [emphasis mine] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_integration

horizontal integration

"Horizontal integration is the process of a company increasing production of goods or services at the same level of the value chain, in the same industry. A company may do this via internal expansion or through mergers and acquisition" [emphasis mine]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_integration

Anything else you care to throw at the wall to see if it sticks, just go ahead and assume I disagree with you given how our interaction has gone so far.

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