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Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Because they are mostly research departments (aka a lab) turned into a corp structure. It’s not a new phenomenon, just that until recently labs didn’t get $1T valuations so you see it more now

Ok, so, what research department did Nvidia grow out of?

NVIDIA has a research lab (actually, multiple given how massive they are)

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Grim prediction: "Quantized models are no longer permitted on the Hugging Face platform. Reduced precision models are a safety hazard and a violation of our TOS. Click here to speak with a sales representative about our many exciting cloud hosting offerings or enterprise GPU packages."

We really need an artifactory for GGUFs

JFrog is trying to create something like that iirc

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Everyone's got a noble goal until they get a buyout offer promising to make them a billionaire Edit: Just discovered via this post that hn posts, like the exchanges, filter out emoji

Well, yeah. I also wouldn’t like to explain to my family why my emoji is more important than being set for life.

Even the eggplant?

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

#644

Grim prediction: "Quantized models are no longer permitted on the Hugging Face platform. Reduced precision models are a safety hazard and a violation of our TOS. Click here to speak with a sales representative about our many exciting cloud hosting offerings or enterprise GPU packages."

This acquisition and the Stripe acquisition of OpenRouter are puzzling. Both HF and OR, from a technological standpoint, don't appear to have much IP that cannot be easily replicated.

I wonder how much it's worth to Nvidia just to obtain a list of who's downloading which models and for what purpose. Similarly with the Stripe acquisition of OpenRouter. In the past, it would have been valuable to obtain an audience or market share or even a productive team. However, in this new age of the surveillance state ...

telemetry, orchestration, and financial

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Grim prediction: "Quantized models are no longer permitted on the Hugging Face platform. Reduced precision models are a safety hazard and a violation of our TOS. Click here to speak with a sales representative about our many exciting cloud hosting offerings or enterprise GPU packages."

Too base cynicism. I'd be willing to bet you my $200 to your $100 that doesn't happen.

You're probably right. It was mostly hyperbole, but the older I get the more I think hyperbole does eventually come to pass in situations like this. It's gradual, though, not all at once.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Grim prediction: "Quantized models are no longer permitted on the Hugging Face platform. Reduced precision models are a safety hazard and a violation of our TOS. Click here to speak with a sales representative about our many exciting cloud hosting offerings or enterprise GPU packages."

Unlikely, but say goodbye to uncensored and abliterated models. These acquisitions are not healthy. They stifle competition and make it easier for governments to censor open weight models by choking off distribution points.

Will just help EU/ASIA to fill that gap

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Grim prediction: "Quantized models are no longer permitted on the Hugging Face platform. Reduced precision models are a safety hazard and a violation of our TOS. Click here to speak with a sales representative about our many exciting cloud hosting offerings or enterprise GPU packages."

This acquisition and the Stripe acquisition of OpenRouter are puzzling. Both HF and OR, from a technological standpoint, don't appear to have much IP that cannot be easily replicated. I wonder how much it's worth to Nvidia just to obtain a list of who's downloading which models and for what purpose. Similarly with the Stripe acquisition of OpenRouter. In the past, it would have been valuable to obtain an audience or…

Brand name is hard to beat. HuggingFace is the defacto leader in open models.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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> Not too different from what "the cloud" did to this market from 2015 or so... I mean for all the inefficiencies of the cloud, it solved a lot of problems. It also created a new category of problems but rarely does any particular technology arrive as a pure boon without it's own compromises. Despite it's issues and despite how hot ASS some implementations are (looking at you Azure) I think cloud infrastructure you c…

The purpose of the system is what it does. The goal is to increase return on capital. Take a look at the historical developments of wage participation in global income, labor productivity growth vs wage growth, and so forth. It works very well. As long as the most capable laborers are paid well enough to go along, the rest of us have little choice. Especially after citizens united basically privatized American electi…

The inflection point is whether or not everyone else can convince the "most capable laborers" who are about to be cut from the "Most Capable Laborer Club" to join the Tang Ping Rebellion before real price discovery happens on their salaries.

No one seems to get that you have to do a general strike BEFORE they lay everyone off. It's a gambit. But either you actually were all that valuable and you can get your job back if it fails, or you weren't and you finally acted in your own self interest.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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The companies have aligned incentives so I don't think this is a terrible acquisition for customers.

Vertically integrated monopolies naturally have aligned in incentives for themselves, which allows more capture which turns out bad for customers. Whether it is a monopoly is an open question.

>Vertically integrated monopolies naturally have aligned in incentives for themselves, which allows more capture which turns out bad for customers.

Apple's devices have resulted in a great increase in quality of life for myself and family members who used to waste a lot of time with Windows drivers/BSODs/random updates/malware/etc.

It's been almost 20 years, and it's turned out OK.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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You can torrent and seed these models via torrenting. They are not piracy so there's no problem hosting them besides maybe not having enough bandwidth

... You wouldn't steal a car ... you wouldn't steal a bag ... piracy is a crime. (Girl cancels the download and walks away from the PC. Remember? :-)) That is what will happen to torrents. Followed by VPNs. China, Russia and Iran had paved the way already. Can't you see the puzzle coming toghether?

Ai models are not piracy, because you never had to pay for them and simply seeding them and downloading them does not break their licenses
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