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Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by pjmlp »

bayindirh wrote: post #539
pjmlp wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People love to blame NVidia on OpenCL failure, maybe Intel and AMD should actually deliver something compute researchers want to use?

I love your insights which enlighten my blind spots most of the time, but I didn't blame NVIDIA for OpenCL's failure. I just noted a company's choices when it comes to a competing set of libraries w.r.t. to their native ones. Having said that, I'll try compiling a OpenCL 3.0 program in the cluster, so I can report whether NVIDIA runs this software, and if yes, how well.

Yeah, however if Intel and AMD actually delivered a working 2.0 with proper support for C++ and Fortran, maybe the OpenCL 3.0 back to 1.0 reboot would not have been needed.

Likewise SYSCL although built on top of OpenCL 3.0 primitives, is mostly Intel, which also owns CodePlay, the company that delivered the first working SYSCL compute experience, again neither AMD nor Intel (until it bought CodePlay).

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by nathantotten »

archon810 wrote: post #361
heliosAtwork wrote: post #194

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They need to switch to egrees free cloudflare R2!

I wonder if Cloudflare would find a cause to exclude them because I can't imagine the transfer amounts this would generate.

Nothing is free on cloudflare enterprise plans and they will make you move to enterprise once you start using enough services.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by seanclayton »

galangalalgol wrote: post #578
huurtehoog wrote: post #561

This is the opening move of the end game for the current "AI" wave. Hyperscalers and hardware manufacturers will absorb the overgrowth and hopefully (for them, sucks for us) settle at the top of the software value chain. The only way to make all the money poured into compute for the last 4 years pay for itself at any level is selling people and corporations on very inefficient software for the next couple of decades.…

So anytime someone comes out with something efficient it will get bought and bloated?

Businesses trust brand names, not efficiency.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by cdmckay »

_the_inflator wrote: post #581
armcat wrote: post #551

HF has been a close part of my ML/AI career, coinciding exactly when I moved into this space 10 years ago. There are lot of nuances here (if the deal goes through). Some people say it's a loss for EU sovereign AI but HF is technically an American corporation. On the positive note, the founders (Julien, Thomas and Clem - all French) stem to make significant amount of money, which they are likely to pour into a new fro…

I don't get the EU reference in any sense: "The company was founded in 2016 by French entrepreneurs Clément Delangue, Julien Chaumond, and Thomas Wolf in New York City, originally as a company that developed a chatbot app targeted at teenagers. ..." Wikipedia Besides that: which EU and sovereignty doesn't really rhyme, given data protection, energy costs, AI restrictions and no vital start up scene at all. Mistral is…

China as “second place in any sense” ignores reality.

TikTok: achieved global cultural and algorithmic dominance.

DJI: controls roughly 70% of the global consumer and commercial drone market.

CATL: The world’s largest EV battery manufacturer.

BYD: Surpassed Tesla in total electric vehicle production volume.

Shein & Temu

The list goes on…

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by seanclayton »

huurtehoog wrote: post #562
doe88 wrote: post #422

Nvidia for Hugging Face will be even worse than Microsoft for GitHub and we know now how low the bar is here.

I'd trust a hardware player to be way more focused on reliability...

What hardware player other than Apple would you give that same trust to?

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by huurtehoog »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #569
huurtehoog wrote: post #564

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not vertical integration though. Vertical integration would be the corn chip maker buying corn farms for example. I don't think there's a name for "buying makers of complementary goods".

vertical integration

"In microeconomics, management and international political economy, vertical integration, also referred to as vertical consolidation, is an arrangement in which the supply chain of a company is integrated and owned by that company." [emphasis mine]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_integration

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by nycdotnet »

lynx97 wrote: post #478
WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #443

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You missed the whole game-ification, enshitification, copilot-ification of github, and open source theft for their AI training episodes Always like that with Microsoft apologists

Explain to me how using OPEN source for training is theft? I've (admittedly skimmed) quite a few licenses, but I really dont remember anyone restricting reading/indexing source code?

MIT license includes: The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.

The argument is that AI models trained on open source should include the copyright info for all projects blended into the weights. And since they don’t, it violates the terms of the license.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by huurtehoog »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #585
huurtehoog wrote: post #561

This is the opening move of the end game for the current "AI" wave. Hyperscalers and hardware manufacturers will absorb the overgrowth and hopefully (for them, sucks for us) settle at the top of the software value chain. The only way to make all the money poured into compute for the last 4 years pay for itself at any level is selling people and corporations on very inefficient software for the next couple of decades.…

> Not too different from what "the cloud" did to this market from 2015 or so... I mean for all the inefficiencies of the cloud, it solved a lot of problems. It also created a new category of problems but rarely does any particular technology arrive as a pure boon without it's own compromises. Despite it's issues and despite how hot ASS some implementations are (looking at you Azure) I think cloud infrastructure you c…

The purpose of the system is what it does.

The goal is to increase return on capital.

Take a look at the historical developments of wage participation in global income, labor productivity growth vs wage growth, and so forth. It works very well. As long as the most capable laborers are paid well enough to go along, the rest of us have little choice. Especially after citizens united basically privatized American elections.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by huurtehoog »

doublerabbit wrote: post #567
huurtehoog wrote: post #561

This is the opening move of the end game for the current "AI" wave. Hyperscalers and hardware manufacturers will absorb the overgrowth and hopefully (for them, sucks for us) settle at the top of the software value chain. The only way to make all the money poured into compute for the last 4 years pay for itself at any level is selling people and corporations on very inefficient software for the next couple of decades.…

Someone gets it. The start of the end to the AI bubble bursting.

No, see, I'm making the opposite argument. This is not a bubble, this is a deliberate play by capital owners to increase returns on capital to the detriment of labor. Much like "the cloud" before. The increased capital intensity in software was inevitable and it has accelerated since 2022.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by huurtehoog »

galangalalgol wrote: post #578
huurtehoog wrote: post #561

This is the opening move of the end game for the current "AI" wave. Hyperscalers and hardware manufacturers will absorb the overgrowth and hopefully (for them, sucks for us) settle at the top of the software value chain. The only way to make all the money poured into compute for the last 4 years pay for itself at any level is selling people and corporations on very inefficient software for the next couple of decades.…

So anytime someone comes out with something efficient it will get bought and bloated?

Can you think of examples of that not happening?

I mean, haven't you just described VC?

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