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MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Post by xushengdev »

Xusheng here! I have not gone through all comments, but wish to clarify a few things:

1. The watermark only applied to AI-generated contents through the in-app AI (copilot/cocreator, etc). If you draw something by hand it is not watermarked

2. Privacy implications: I believe your MS account is linked to the prompt and the GUID. And the GUID is embedded into the image as both an insivible watermark and a file-level C2PA metadata. I did not write about this very deeply in my blogpost, but when I do an image generation, it deducts my AI credits (yes, MS gives you like 60 free AI credits), so MS surely knows where the prompt is coming from. Though I am not sure about their storage and retention, e.g., do they actually store the data, and if they do, for how long, etc

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Post by darksim905 »

alex_duf wrote: post #327
mg794613 wrote: post #321

My goodness, this has nothing to do with AI problems. I don't understand that people still buy an OS from a company that actively hates it's customers. The amount of things they pull should not even be succesful on a OS you get paid FOR to use.

Not that I love Microsoft, but they would get a lot of heat if they let anybody generate harmful content as well. They can't win on that topic. Now I would not want to appear to defend the mess they've created out of windows, that's not the point.

This has nothing to do with generating harmful content and everything to do with fascist surveillance. This is an OS level functionality that get utilized before AI even existed.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

b5n wrote: post #176
1970-01-01 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok fair point, here's plenty more of the same on stable. My point is Linux is always fine right until it isn't. Then you're back to a day of debugging your update. https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218770 https://lore.kernel.org/linux-f2fs-devel/20240409203411.1885... https://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/2511.2/07280.html https://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/2511.2/07260.html https://bugzilla.su…

Most of these links weaken your claim rather than support it. The lkml links are patch submissions in a _development_ discussion, not ordinary users running a stable distro. The f2fs bugzilla links are the same issue we already discussed, a regression in the brand-new 6.9 kernel released only days earlier, with the fix landing in 6.9.3. The suse bug is an upstream e2fsprogs issue. This is precisely the kind of issue…

>Most of these links weaken your claim rather than support it.

Yep. Good catch, I think you win the argument. These are all distros that are under development and their underlying issues should never be called-out as handing the user frustration as they willingly chose to become a victim of the kernel.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Post by inigyou »

throw101010 wrote: post #399
inigyou wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone got their use of child porn leaked this way. They opened notepad on a twitch stream and a bunch of CP links came up. I don't remember who it was.

Lacari: https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows/csam-using-... He still streams on Twitch, he got a temporary week "long" ban and then came back claiming it was a virus or an accident while also claiming he has a porn addiction problem... but don't worry he's very "sorry" (to have been caught). The state of this Amazon-owned streaming platform is wild... and that's without even looking at the rampant antisem…

You definitely shouldn't assert that someone is antisemitic based on the current US House, even if bi-partisan. And I thought bills of attainder were unconstitutional?

To answer your question of why, it's probably because they make money.

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Post by tosti »

inigyou wrote: post #351
bobim wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you were "tricked into", but probably not forced. We are free to refuse, at cost, but free.

The cost is that you can never play Minecraft again

Never play online

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Post by baby_souffle »

baby_souffle wrote: post #65
sixothree wrote: post #6

I think it would be nice if all cameras digitally signed pictures. You could prove the photo was real.

> You could prove the photo was real. No. You'd only ever be able to show that key material belonging to $specific_camera was used to sign/mark the image. Was the camera manufacturer breached? Did somebody on the factory floor steal some keys during the provisioning step? Or did somebody build their own photo-sensor simulator and plug _that_ in to the camera's motherboard to feed it a "real" image? Before going _that…

Well that was fast!

> build their own photo-sensor simulator and plug _that_ in to the camera's motherboard to feed it a "real" image?

Already been done!

https://hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/1102-C2PA-...

TL;DR: Strong cryptography over untrusted data does not make the data more trustworthy.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Post by SilasX »

pxoe wrote: post #197
SilasX wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even Notepad isn’t a dumb app anymore! They made breaking changes after 40 years so it has autocorrect, rich text, and Copilot. If I wanted all of that, I would have used a different app!

I wanted dark mode, tabs, and autosave, and now I don't have to use a different app to get those, so that works out great for me. Not sure what "breaking changes" even means for that though. Did it suddenly stop being able to open text files? No, it still just works.

"Breaking change" is a pretty common term, especially here, so I don't get the confusion about what it means. It means an interface-breaking change, so that the same input produces a different output, and is generally to be avoided because it forces the user to have to adapt and means the new version isn't strictly better[1].

The inclusion of autocorrect (that I mentioned) would be example here: previously, it would accept whatever text you gave it verbatim. Now, it will sometimes change non-dictionary strings to dictionary words.

(Another thing that bothered me was that, on the update, it forgot my font settings and I had to work to re-find them.)

I'm happy to admit my phrasing was confusing, but not enough so that you would be unable to see the relevant failure mode.

[1] https://stackoverflow.com/a/21703427

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