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MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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If you read the article instead of the headline…….. it’s adding a fairly standard mark to AI generated images to let’s others know, in the same manner a giant swath of the GebAI industry has agreed to.

I think their point is that paint shouldn’t have any GenAI features (or any new features other than compatibility)

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Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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It is quite likely that Snipping Tool is also doing this. Every camera also leaves device specific signature because of its inherent silicon sensor defects.

If you want to stay anonymous, don't share images you can't verify at the byte level. Apply filtering to decrease the low bit noise that could hide cryptographic signatures. Don't trust complex container formats.

See e.g. PPM format: https://www.cs.swarthmore.edu/~soni/cs35/f13/Labs/extras/01/...

These days entire scenes can be tweaked by AI to add unimportant but identifying marks, at a level far above signal processing tricks, like moving objects in the scene. Verify from multiple sources.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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I think their point is that paint shouldn’t have any GenAI features (or any new features other than compatibility)

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I don't so much mind about Paint, but modern Notepad is completely unusable. We had "Notepad but with Rich Text formatting" -- it was called WordPad and no-one used it so they eventually deleted it.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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It does kind of say: The GUID is coming from the moderation endpoint, which is hit when you generate a local or cloud AI image based on your prompt. If there is no prompt, there is no endpoint, and likely no GUID. Obviously Paint could have been watermarking prior to AI though, but this specific AI watermarking appears to be only that.

The fact that local ai image generation uses an online moderation API is a bit worrying too.... Why not just mod the app to not call this API?

I don't think they use a model that would run smoothly on most hardware that normal people use.

Besides, you need to sign-in and pay to use that feature. It's very obvious that's not local.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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> address Do not tell Microsoft where you sleep. IANAL but they are not a government or financial institution and do not have a right to that information. Make sure you register mailing addresses with your credit card institutions in addition to your residential addresses, and make your mailing address your billing address so that you aren't forced to tell a thousand businesses like Microsoft where you sleep.

> IANAL but they are not a government or financial institution and do not have a right to that information. As soon as you purchase something from Microsoft - e.g. your Office 365 subscription - they have at the very least your billing address on file for the credit card.

Seems to me that it's a challenge to make an apple account without adding a credit card to your account as well. A carfully chosen Linux distro (so many options!) is the way to avoid the brunt of these privacy issues, lots of open software calls home in some way or another so user beware!

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

#196

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The fact that local ai image generation uses an online moderation API is a bit worrying too.... Why not just mod the app to not call this API?

I don't think they use a model that would run smoothly on most hardware that normal people use. Besides, you need to sign-in and pay to use that feature. It's very obvious that's not local.

did you even read the article? you're wrong on all points.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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I admit it’s a while since I’ve used windows, but it’s such a shock to hear that MS Paint isn’t just a point and click pixel coloring app anymore. It seems like they could have left it as a pure “paint” app and added the fancy stuff to some new image editor or something. I guess they’ve optimized their workforce to just keep making changes so they get promoted rather than just creating really good software.

Even Notepad isn’t a dumb app anymore! They made breaking changes after 40 years so it has autocorrect, rich text, and Copilot. If I wanted all of that, I would have used a different app!

I wanted dark mode, tabs, and autosave, and now I don't have to use a different app to get those, so that works out great for me. Not sure what "breaking changes" even means for that though. Did it suddenly stop being able to open text files? No, it still just works.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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post #118

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> No it's not. Sign up for a virtual mailbox for $15-$25/month. Did you notice that it's an affordability crisis out there? An absolutely enormous number of people are skipping bills, taking on credit, and using predatory lenders to make end meets, and your recommendation is to add another fee on top of things. It's not practical or useful guidance for the vast majority of people. I strongly agree with supporting pri…

At least in the US it's not even a good method either. Own a house? Boom, your information is publically available and you won't be able to remove it without a court order, which in most states is impossible to get. In most states, you don't even need to own a house, decide to vote? You information again is publically available. Tie your real name to a single account to purchase something, and you are trackable. Want…

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Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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post #193

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I don't so much mind about Paint, but modern Notepad is completely unusable. We had "Notepad but with Rich Text formatting" -- it was called WordPad and no-one used it so they eventually deleted it.

People used Wordpad and thus other people had trouble opening RTF files.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

#200

I admit it’s a while since I’ve used windows, but it’s such a shock to hear that MS Paint isn’t just a point and click pixel coloring app anymore. It seems like they could have left it as a pure “paint” app and added the fancy stuff to some new image editor or something. I guess they’ve optimized their workforce to just keep making changes so they get promoted rather than just creating really good software.

Background removal is really useful though, saves a bunch of time.

Unfortunately, some of the regular paint tools like eraser don't erase in a smooth antialiased way and just end up looking jagged (also only a square shape for eraser...no eraser brush mode unfortunately), so it ends up being a better looking option (well, when it works properly, which it does often enough to be useful). For whatever reason a bunch of tools and transforms (scaling, rotating), just produce such garbage jagged looking results, it's not serviceable even for those basics.

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