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MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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> On Copilot+ PCs, image generation is local but prompt moderation remains remote Anyone disturbed about that ? It's your computer, running locally, but Microsoft can tell you 'no'. It's like you want to open a folder and it asks permission to Microsoft.

That's nothing new. Ever tried to develop a driver? Or replace a system file? Or install an app on iOS not from the store? That war was lost two decades ago with the iPhone

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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You have no idea how deep this rabbit hole goes. Search for EFF printers secret tracking. Virtually all commercial printers embed an invisible identifier on every page printed.

It was about money anti-counterfeiting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_tracking_dots

Are they still doing the EURion constellation, too? You can embed that in anything.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Fucking spyware. Soon it'll literally be "you need a license to use this technology" if we're not there in some form or another already.

It literally already is? What happens if you pirate windows but don't do it properly?

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Until proven otherwise via open-source audits and reproducible binaries, you should assume that all commercial photo editing software is embedding watermarks in any way they can get away with. This includes the professional software that you pay quite expensive licenses for. You should also assume that even if they're not today, they will eventually be coerced into doing so, in the same way that printers embed tracki…

You should however not accept this state of affairs even if you exclusively use open source software because the next step is that it become illegal to have photo editing software that doesn't include the tracking information needed to protect the children, fight terrorists or whatever the boogeyman of the day is.

It's already illegal to not watermark an AI image.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Not every generative AI model will watermark. Especially not adversarial and disinformation models.

It actually might make the new horrible world even worse. Imagine the populace getting used to a AI image detector flagging things as fake using this fairly easily defeated GUID marker system. Most people are just making memes or cat videos and don't even try to remove this so eventually the populace starts to believe these things actually work. Now some one slightly more sophisticated starts creating deepfakes of a…

Or puts the marker on real footage of, say, Elon doing a Hitler salute, then starts pointing how that actually didn't happen and was AI.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Ya know, this would probably be pointless but if I were a programmer (I'm not -and refuse to be a vibe coder) I'd probably just grab appropriate libraries and make my own replacements for this shit. GLTK+ (?) is an obvious choice to use for recreating mspaint, and to replace notepad -I was told making a simple editor was an excercise they have you do when you learn programming to begin with? I already replaced the 's…

I would've thought the obvious API to recreate mspaint was Win32

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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In the imaginary dream world that Adobe, Google et al live in, the final file does indeed have a signature. Each piece of software in the chain must use TPM-like technologies (yes, even GIMP) to make sure it's running a "legitimate" build of the software, on "legitimate" hardware, and re-sign the file at each step along the way (using keys provisioned during some flavour of remote attestation flow, or using a RA-auth…

I can't wait for poking memory of applications running on my computer to become a felony.

It already is.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Why would the EU possibly object to this? It is exactly what they want.

Ummmmmmmm. No. Inserting a tracker that can personally identify me without my explicit opt-in consent is a GDPR breach. I'm surprised you do not not this.

So you will defeat chat control by sitting there going “but you don’t have muh gdpr consent for that!”?

The whole EU vision is they know what the little people do all the time, think all the time, and spend their money on all the time. For the children, obviously.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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post #352

My goodness, this has nothing to do with AI problems. I don't understand that people still buy an OS from a company that actively hates it's customers. The amount of things they pull should not even be succesful on a OS you get paid FOR to use.

This is a pretty privileged take, isn't it? What's the alternative? What if you work at literally any Fortune 500 company?

"privileged take"?, sorry I am not from the US, so I don't compete in the sorry-o-lympics.

Nothing is stopping you from using it for free at home, everyone is privileged in that regard.

And it was obvious to everyone else, I was talking about decisions you can take yourself. I'll try better in the future to be hyper explicit about this, so people who are looking for a reason to feel hurt will have a harder time.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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My goodness, this has nothing to do with AI problems. I don't understand that people still buy an OS from a company that actively hates it's customers. The amount of things they pull should not even be succesful on a OS you get paid FOR to use.

This is a pretty privileged take, isn't it? What's the alternative? What if you work at literally any Fortune 500 company?

How many Fortune 500 companies require you to buy your own Windows laptop as opposed to them providing one?

Also, if your laptop is work provided, your laptop is going to have little to no privacy no matter what.

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