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Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by d5lt5 »

leptons wrote: post #657
d5lt5 wrote: post #648

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> All your points consider what China can do but not how others would respond. US backed off last year when there were talks about protecting Taiwan. They pulled Patriot missiles from Taiwan and South Korea too. China and Japan have a beef. Considering the atrocities Japan did in China, the conversation won't be friendly. None of these are good for Taiwan, during the times when its political system is failing. > No w…

>US backed off last year when there were talks about protecting Taiwan. They pulled Patriot missiles from Taiwan and South Korea too. >US cannot blockade Hormuz, as we've seen. JP cannot do that with their current constitution unless they change it (the current government is on the road to it, though). If China really wants to fuck with Taiwan, they had better do it soon while the most incompetent US administration e…

> Because there is change coming to the US and the next president isn't likely to be such a complete moron.

All past elections prove you otherwise.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by sofixa »

d5lt5 wrote: post #639
m00x wrote: post #400

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I've lived in Taiwan for a large part of my life. They would lose all of TSMC if they do any military actions. It's not the fact that the CCP thinks that they can make Taiwan and China a country, it's the the fact that most of China does in fact consider them as one country. Taiwan is ready to defend themselves, but are very happy keeping their relationship with China the way it is.

> I've lived in Taiwan for a large part of my life. Sounds like you've been fed the US anti-China propaganda for the large part of your life as well. _China doesn't need to invade Taiwan_ 1. 50%+ of Taiwan's workforce are white-collar workers [0]. 2. There are 3-4 major underwater internet communication hubs in Taiwan [1]. 3. There is a substantial opposition in Taiwan that want reunification (~20% of population supp…

> _China doesn't need to invade Taiwan_

Russia didn't need to invade Ukraine either.

But nonetheless China is clearly preparing itself to be ready to be able to invade, with aircraft carriers, amphibious assault ships, dual purpose roll-on/roll-off carriers. It doesn't mean it will, but that it wants to be able to.

So basically it will depend on a single dictator's whim if they do or don't.

> Establish a total naval and air blockade of Taiwan using their fleets stationed in Ningbo and Zhanjiang

Which would be considered an act of war, so it's the same scenario again.

> There is a substantial opposition in Taiwan that want reunification (~20% of population support directly Li-Wun)

20% is more than the % of people in the Donbass that wanted unification with Russia, and we can see how well that went. And it wasn't a dangerous amphibious assault against an island with shit terrain.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by sofixa »

d5lt5 wrote: post #645
klausa wrote: post #545

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> The talent is still there, so they could rebuild, or recruit the talent to work for Chinese mainland fabs instead? Would you voluntarily work in a country that invaded and taken over yours? Would you ask the same about Russia recruiting Ukrainians?

Not everyone is affected by propaganda, either US/Taiwanese or Chinese one. Some are. Some people also want to feed their families and not be unemployed. P.S. A large number of Ukrainians moved to Russia. Including the ones who wanted to reunite with their relatives. Taiwanese have a lot of relatives on the mainland as well.

> A large number of Ukrainians moved to Russia

Citation very much needed.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by leptons »

d5lt5 wrote: post #661
leptons wrote: post #657

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>US backed off last year when there were talks about protecting Taiwan. They pulled Patriot missiles from Taiwan and South Korea too. >US cannot blockade Hormuz, as we've seen. JP cannot do that with their current constitution unless they change it (the current government is on the road to it, though). If China really wants to fuck with Taiwan, they had better do it soon while the most incompetent US administration e…

> Because there is change coming to the US and the next president isn't likely to be such a complete moron. All past elections prove you otherwise.

If you honestly think that, then you are not paying attention, or you're just a typical troll.

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Post by hahamaster »

hn_submit wrote: post #307
spacedcowboy wrote: post #265

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Last I knew, ASML was a Dutch company with a Veldhoven HQ. With the amount of shit that Trump's been pulling in Europe, The EU might be more willing to side with China and ban exports to the US.

Not as long as there's a NATO. Europe needs to acquire a nuclear arsenal that stands head-to-head with the Russian one quantitatively and independent from the U.S. or any other nation (including the French and British) for nuclear deterrence. This means many more European nations need to acquire a nuclear arsenal. The frustrating part is that the U.S. doesn't want to give assurances whether it will come to Europe's a…

The Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (to which they are all signatories) effectively prevents these countries from acquiring nuclear weapons. Unless they are willing to face international sanctions and economic ruin, that’s the end of the story.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by kergonath »

throwa356262 wrote: post #91
nerdsniper wrote: post #6

M5 (iPad) AnTuTu: 3.5 million XRing O3 AnTuTu: 5.5 million --- M5 iPad Geekbench Single-Core: 3,556 M5 Max Geekbench Single-Core: 4,300 XRing O3 Geekbench Single-Core: 3,945 --- M5 iPad Geekbench Multi-Core: 15,285 M5 Max Geekbench Multi-Core: 29,200 XRing O3 Geekbench Multi-Core: 15,221

I dont think Geekbench is a good cross-platform benchmark, given what it measures

On the contrary, it is actually good. For all the hand wringing when someone’s favourite platform loses out on a Geekbench comparison, the benchmarks are quite consistent, even across platforms, and track SPEC results fairly accurately.

Of course it’s not perfect, but then, nothing is.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by brookst »

sudo_cowsay wrote: post #599
ColdStream wrote: post #508

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The age old problem of mobile chips have brilliant performance for about 15 seconds until they thermal throttle. If you are just using apps, 15 seconds is more than enough to launch and setup an app, for anything more it will be down graded a little. Still dang impressive but the form factor becomes the limiting factor.

Imagine they make a MacBook Neo Xiaomi version. That would solve the form factor problem.

What OS though?

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Post by brookst »

KPGv2 wrote: post #561
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> it is _ALL_ about kicking the US out of the west Pacific. Hardly. It is all about Xi having declared that taking Taiwan by... I think it was 2049, but could be misremembering. Anyway, Xi made that a test of the legitimacy of the CCP, in some very public statements. So, no, it's not about kicking the US out of the west Pacific. It's about Taiwan, and it's because if they don't, the CCP is illegitimate, by Xi's own w…

Xi will not be in power in 2049 because he will be dead. He'd be 96yo.

Countries often set goals beyond the lifetimes of the current leaders.

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Post by kergonath »

amluto wrote: post #568
culi wrote: post #450

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For multi-patterning DUV, each patterning/etching step accumulates defect risk. Actually now that I'm reading about it, 20% is the better end of the spectrum. I don't think technology could possibly improve it much beyond that. I believe the theoretical maximum yield for multi-patterning DUV at 5nm and 7nm is 30-40% It's not economically sustainable/viable long term. China is only doing it because they've been forced…

Surely yield is very much a function of the size of the device in question and its tolerance for defects. I don’t think it makes sense for a technology to have a theoretical maximum yield that’s a constant number unless it somehow destroys entire wafers with highish probability.

You can normalise by surface area, which makes defects rate comparable across processes. At least to a first order approximation, keeping all other parameters constant, bigger chips are more likely to have a defect because they have larger surface areas.

If a process has a defect rate of x, the probability of a die having a defect is A*x. The limit is then the defect rate for a die with the surface area of a transistor, you cannot really get any better than this. But that’s not very useful if you want to extrapolate what the defect rate would be on an improved or cheaper process.

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