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Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by rock_artist »

ColdStream wrote: post #508
ksec wrote: post #43

This is still an ARM C1-Ultra. Same one used in Mediatek dimensity 9500, which also got more than 4000 points in GB6 lab test. But actual results inside phone with smartphone cooling and wattage requirement became close to 3300. But perhaps the most important thing, Xiaomi is now able to make chip similar to Mediatek. They are the third largest Smartphone manufacturer by shipment volume. And they are still growing. T…

The age old problem of mobile chips have brilliant performance for about 15 seconds until they thermal throttle. If you are just using apps, 15 seconds is more than enough to launch and setup an app, for anything more it will be down graded a little. Still dang impressive but the form factor becomes the limiting factor.

There’s still one mystery for me.

I’m now at the iPhone 16. The performance of those chips with 8GB in non throttled environment (Neo..) can run as a fully performant macOS.

Yet, as a phone I don’t feel upgraded performance since my SE 1st gen days.

Sometimes I get stuttering, basic browsing can get the device pretty warm, sometime camera lags to launch.

My usage profile didn’t change much over the years.

So I can only assume codebases became more bloated, websites became more heavy on resources. Because, if my device now throttles to what I was happy with years ago assuming the software would behave the same, I’ve expected my usage to give me at least cooler non stuttering performance.

But that was never the case.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by locknitpicker »

yoz-y wrote: post #111
pelagicAustral wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is bad news for Mediatek and Qualcomm. And good news for everyone else.

Yes and no. Having more competition in the space is excellent news. However I am sad that the world interdependence is eroding as most other countries seem to sit on their hands and happily outsource every bit of manufacturing to a single country.

> However I am sad that the world interdependence is eroding (...)

That's quite the odd statement. I don't think that it's in anyone's best interests to have a single country control access to chips. It might be in the US's interests to keep everyone out if the field, but the US is a single country among 195 countries.

And isn't the US's dominant ideology all about competition?

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by lintfordpickle »

reliabilityguy wrote: post #625
throwaw12 wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

all for profit companies are greedy by their nature, but US companies are on a different level because you can 'buy' the government by lobbying or supporting their election campaigns or break the law and eventually make sure law is changed to fit your business (e.g. first taxi medallions adjusted the law for themselves, and then Uber) Same is very difficult to do in China (look what happened to Jack Ma) or in Europe,…

> all for profit companies are greedy by their nature, but US companies are on a different level because you can 'buy' the government by lobbying or supporting their election campaigns How would you call decades of chinese state-sponsored industrial espionage of western IP? Benevolent act?

> How would you call decades of ...

I'd call it a whataboutism

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by throwaw12 »

reliabilityguy wrote: post #625
throwaw12 wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

all for profit companies are greedy by their nature, but US companies are on a different level because you can 'buy' the government by lobbying or supporting their election campaigns or break the law and eventually make sure law is changed to fit your business (e.g. first taxi medallions adjusted the law for themselves, and then Uber) Same is very difficult to do in China (look what happened to Jack Ma) or in Europe,…

> all for profit companies are greedy by their nature, but US companies are on a different level because you can 'buy' the government by lobbying or supporting their election campaigns How would you call decades of chinese state-sponsored industrial espionage of western IP? Benevolent act?

> How would you call decades of chinese state-sponsored industrial espionage of western IP? Benevolent act?

I want to share 3 things here, to think out loud:

1. lets not go too far to the past, because I will say industrial espionage is less harmful than imperialism. Imperialism costed millions of lives across India, Pakistan, African nations, Indonesia and even in China, we are talking about how the West got extremely rich, which allowed it to live in prosperity, when everyone else were struggling (impact of it is still ongoing for some nations). I am fine with lesser of 2 evils, which is an industrial espionage in this case.

2. I didn't say 'benelovent act'

3. this is not baked by a science, just a personal preference, I prefer if country supports companies to advance the country, rather than allowing companies get too rich and bail them out with taxpayer money if they fail because of their dumb actions. (not saying one is better than other, I like how CCP elevated China from 3rd world country to a level, even the US companies are scared, in very short time, without invading and extracting resources from other countries. But it obviously has its own problems (e.g. how competitive is the life in China for kids and so on), I am not saying China is perfect, but China became superpower in the last 30-40 years, which is an impressive accomplishment.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by re-thc »

rock_artist wrote: post #631
ColdStream wrote: post #508

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The age old problem of mobile chips have brilliant performance for about 15 seconds until they thermal throttle. If you are just using apps, 15 seconds is more than enough to launch and setup an app, for anything more it will be down graded a little. Still dang impressive but the form factor becomes the limiting factor.

There’s still one mystery for me. I’m now at the iPhone 16. The performance of those chips with 8GB in non throttled environment (Neo..) can run as a fully performant macOS. Yet, as a phone I don’t feel upgraded performance since my SE 1st gen days. Sometimes I get stuttering, basic browsing can get the device pretty warm, sometime camera lags to launch. My usage profile didn’t change much over the years. So I can on…

> So I can only assume codebases became more bloated, websites became more heavy on resources.

If we assume this is true, it at least meant if you didn't upgrade you'd get even worse performance.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by ghosty141 »

LPisGood wrote: post #180

Suspiciously ignored is power consumption. That’s the biggest and most useful metric often ignored because it’s less flashy than speed.

And arguably the most important when it comes to mobile and small form factor usecases.

Apple doesn't optimize for raw performance but rather perf/watt. So comparing only performance is not really useful.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by egeozcan »

rock_artist wrote: post #631
ColdStream wrote: post #508

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The age old problem of mobile chips have brilliant performance for about 15 seconds until they thermal throttle. If you are just using apps, 15 seconds is more than enough to launch and setup an app, for anything more it will be down graded a little. Still dang impressive but the form factor becomes the limiting factor.

There’s still one mystery for me. I’m now at the iPhone 16. The performance of those chips with 8GB in non throttled environment (Neo..) can run as a fully performant macOS. Yet, as a phone I don’t feel upgraded performance since my SE 1st gen days. Sometimes I get stuttering, basic browsing can get the device pretty warm, sometime camera lags to launch. My usage profile didn’t change much over the years. So I can on…

That summarizes my whole computer use. I used to believe it was my tolerance, but then I took out a good old YP-G70CB (Samsung Galaxy S WiFi 5.0) from a drawer and everything felt much snappier than my S25.

The only computer that's the exception is my macbook m4. This thing was and still is ridiculously snappy.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by UnfitFootprint »

re-thc wrote: post #635
rock_artist wrote: post #631

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s still one mystery for me. I’m now at the iPhone 16. The performance of those chips with 8GB in non throttled environment (Neo..) can run as a fully performant macOS. Yet, as a phone I don’t feel upgraded performance since my SE 1st gen days. Sometimes I get stuttering, basic browsing can get the device pretty warm, sometime camera lags to launch. My usage profile didn’t change much over the years. So I can on…

> So I can only assume codebases became more bloated, websites became more heavy on resources. If we assume this is true, it at least meant if you didn't upgrade you'd get even worse performance.

decreasing perf makes stomaching OS upgrades hard… I can’t remember a time I didn’t resent having to do a major version bump of my OS.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by d5lt5 »

m00x wrote: post #400
gnfargbl wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> unless one considers China and Taiwan to be the same countries The fact that the CCP is relaxed about core Chinese companies running their manufacturing in Taiwan might suggest that the CCP considers that it can make China and Taiwan one country, at a time of the CCP's choosing.

I've lived in Taiwan for a large part of my life. They would lose all of TSMC if they do any military actions. It's not the fact that the CCP thinks that they can make Taiwan and China a country, it's the the fact that most of China does in fact consider them as one country. Taiwan is ready to defend themselves, but are very happy keeping their relationship with China the way it is.

> I've lived in Taiwan for a large part of my life.

Sounds like you've been fed the US anti-China propaganda for the large part of your life as well.

_China doesn't need to invade Taiwan_

1. 50%+ of Taiwan's workforce are white-collar workers [0].

2. There are 3-4 major underwater internet communication hubs in Taiwan [1].

3. There is a substantial opposition in Taiwan that want reunification (~20% of population support directly Li-Wun) [2].

4. China is close to producing industry-grade EUV [3].

China just can:

* Establish a total naval and air blockade of Taiwan using their fleets stationed in Ningbo and Zhanjiang.

* Cut underwater internet cables in those 3 locations.

* Achieve EUV.

They won't need TSMC soon, and with the blockade they can show the world that TSMC is not a reliable supplier.

Within months the political structure of Taiwan is going to crumble, as white-collar workers lose their jobs.

[0] https://www.cbc.gov.tw/dl-215893-af39cb14b0044d1cb05a60864ec...

[1] https://cablegraph.com/

[2] https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3350271/xi-...

[3] https://asiatimes.com/2025/12/made-in-china-euv-machine-targ...

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by csomar »

holoduke wrote: post #310
Dah00n wrote: post #275

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Sure if you are Bezos or Musk. Otherwise, no.

Gdp grew much faster in the US than in the EU. I believe the EU is the worst performer of the planet. No joke. And not surprising with the self destructive actions.

GDP should be retired. It has become a very polluted metric. The average american is not making $100k of wealth per year, not even close.
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