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Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

szatkus wrote: post #258
Brybry wrote: post #210

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Xiaomi's Xring O3 is manufactured by TSMC N3P process in Taiwan. [1] MediaTek Dimensity 9500 is also manufactured by TSMC N3P process in Taiwan. [2] There was no world interdependence change (unless one considers China and Taiwan to be the same countries). [1] https://www.notebookcheck.net/Xiaomi-launches-XRing-O3-claim... [2] https://www.notebookcheck.net/MediaTek-Dimensity-9500-Proces...

MediaTek is a Taiwanese company. Xiaomi could put any backdoor that the government tell them to install and TSMC won't be able to catch that.

There are already American backdoors on intel and AMD chips everywhere, we call them ME and PSP. Switching to chinese tech won't make it worse.

Now, if the EU would start make to make chips that have no subsystem to screw me over, that would be something.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by thefourthchime »

Alien1Being wrote: post #120

Xiaomi also make amazing cars. "WSJ I Test Drove a Chinese EV. Now I Don't Want to Buy American Cars Anymore. https://www.wsj.com/tech/personal-tech/chinese-ev-test-drive... "

There was a lot of hype about the SU7. They killed it with pre-orders. But their target for the year at 550K isn't gonna happen as they're sold about a 180k so far this year.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by thefourthchime »

dirck-norman wrote: post #244
testing22321 wrote: post #207

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The CEO of Ford directly said if Chinese EVs are allowed into the US it will be the end of US auto manufacturing. They know they are inferior, and choose not to compete, just lobby for more regulations to keep competitors out. Free market, haha.

China is nowhere near “free market”. Their EV sector received more government subsidies in the last 15 years than the entire U.S. automobile market since inception. The total subsidies make up half of the market cap of their entire EV industry. 250 billion in EV subsidies from China. 10 billion by the U.S.

Yep, it's pretty much just illegal dumping.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by peezd »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #228
Grombobulous wrote: post #208

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I think Western people still call this situation “outsourcing” when in reality what is happening is that China is better at manufacturing than everyone else, and they’re starting to be better than everyone else at design and engineering, too. When we buy software from Silicon Valley or a nice Mercedes Benz from Germany we don’t use this same language “outsourcing.” Colloquially, outsourcing implies low quality or che…

China didn't get that way by magic. They ran the same playbook that allowed Alexander Hamilton to snatch manufacturing from Great Britain to the US, and the US gave up manufacturing for the same reason the UK gave up manufacturing (suppression of labor interests). It will be interesting to see what China does. They aren't ideologically committed to exclusively serving the interests of the wealthy, but they still have…

I can't imagine it going any other way than what we've seen from every other country in your set of examples, honestly.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by Dah00n »

1234letshaveatw wrote: post #205
TSiege wrote: post #187

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I think describing what's happening "other countries seem to sit on their hands and happily outsource every bit of manufacturing to a single country" is disingenuous. It's been dubbed China Shock 2.0 and it's being taken very seriously by the EU. The US admin is a joke and too busy shooting itself in both feet to have coherent policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Shock_2.0

yet somehow the outcome for the US has been much better. EU wins on paper though, yay!

Sure if you are Bezos or Musk. Otherwise, no.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by bri3d »

tensegrist wrote: post #257
bri3d wrote: post #65

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> Realistically, that sort of thing isn't useful as non-homogeneous architectures really suck for an application or OS to deal with. I agree that if each core doesn't "support" the full ISA it's a huge pain (the one generation of Intel AVX-512-but-not parts were incredible), but that hasn't been common in years. Usually (and in this case, according to my reading) the small cores get a horrible slow/decoder-emulated i…

didn't intel discontinue heterogeneous (laptop?) chips recently

Only server, as far as I know. Server is now either high-density E core (Sierra Forest) or low-density P core (Granite Rapids), but desktop and laptop are heterogeneous still; laptops are getting even more heterogeneous because they have P-Cores, E-cores, and Low Power Island cores.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by LPisGood »

subscribed wrote: post #234
LPisGood wrote: post #180

Suspiciously ignored is power consumption. That’s the biggest and most useful metric often ignored because it’s less flashy than speed.

I'm also interested in the security features of this new CPU. Where doesn't it sit compared to Apple and ARM (Qualcomm, Titan)? Modern processor without memory tagging for example is a little..... dated, given how much the new AIs accelerated the vulnerability discovery in all the apps and system components.

I have heard it said that security is the new power when it comes to microarchitecture. I feel like that’s something security enjoyers tell themselves to be happy.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by onraglanroad »

aj_hackman wrote: post #236
ok_dad wrote: post #84

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> That sort of system cannot exist in harmony with other systems for any extended length of time How in the world is the USA existing with other systems then? By taking it all over with force and subterfuge? It is obvious to those with eyes that China, despite being "totalitarian" has been the better actor (compared to the USA) on the world stage for decades now. > If you're an American used to calling other American…

If you were able to determine in 5 seconds whether or not a person was a violent jerk, it would take you ~28 years of around-the-clock meetings to assess >= 50% of the current U.S. population, thereby rendering this comment meaningful and true. If you needed a whopping 30 seconds, it would take ~166 years. Better get cracking!

If I lacked the wit to understand sampling, that would be true.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by Dah00n »

mschuster91 wrote: post #184
etse wrote: post #168

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By Chinese company, do you mean Taiwan is Chinese in the same way China is Chinese?

No. The problem is that TSMCs new capacity is already hogged by AI peddlers for years to come (in fact, AI BS is the reason why these new non-Taiwanese fabs got the massive US and EU subsidies), and so everyone else not flush with cash from the AI hypetrain has no alternative than to go to China - and deliver all their secrets to the CCP. And eventually, just like the Western solar, battery, pharma and car companies…

Do they also deliver all their secrets to US/EU/Taiwan/etc or is it only with China that it goes from ordering some products manufactured to "deliver all their secrets"? Strange how almost everyone points their fingers at the CCP when we know for a fact (hey Snowden etc) that the US does what we say we think China does. I guess China bad > facts.
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