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Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Also, who decides which entities are adversaries? I don't personally consider "China" my adversary. As an American who has to deal with US companies, many of them are far more antagonistic to me than a foreign country 10K km away. If "China" decides it doesn't like me, my life really isn't going to change much. If my electric company decides it doesn't like me, I'm in big trouble.

> I don't personally consider "China" my adversary They're not an adversary in the same way that a guy demanding your wallet at knifepoint is, or a company able to cut off your electricity is. China is an adversary in the sense that they're a totalitarian government, who, by the nature of that system, cannot brook any sort of opposition to their ideology, plans, or desires. All within the state, none without. That so…

But as a Brit. America, our supposed ally is slapping tarriffs on us, and threatening our actual allies. China not so much. So which are our adversaries?

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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M5 (iPad) AnTuTu: 3.5 million XRing O3 AnTuTu: 5.5 million --- M5 iPad Geekbench Single-Core: 3,556 M5 Max Geekbench Single-Core: 4,300 XRing O3 Geekbench Single-Core: 3,945 --- M5 iPad Geekbench Multi-Core: 15,285 M5 Max Geekbench Multi-Core: 29,200 XRing O3 Geekbench Multi-Core: 15,221

I dont think Geekbench is a good cross-platform benchmark, given what it measures

Geekbench is the only consumer usable cross-platform benchmark. It matches SPEC differences between platforms

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Yes and no. Having more competition in the space is excellent news. However I am sad that the world interdependence is eroding as most other countries seem to sit on their hands and happily outsource every bit of manufacturing to a single country.

Countries and institutions should always produce things where they are excellent at producing, in forms of specialization and compete in terms of comparative advantages.

We surely cant be this naive after the recent history of:

- China weaponizing the world's dependence on rare earth

- The US weaponizing the world's dependence on SWIFT

- Russia weaponizing Europe's dependence on natural gas

- Iran weaponizing the the world's dependence of oil supply through strait of Hormuz

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Also, who decides which entities are adversaries? I don't personally consider "China" my adversary. As an American who has to deal with US companies, many of them are far more antagonistic to me than a foreign country 10K km away. If "China" decides it doesn't like me, my life really isn't going to change much. If my electric company decides it doesn't like me, I'm in big trouble.

> I don't personally consider "China" my adversary They're not an adversary in the same way that a guy demanding your wallet at knifepoint is, or a company able to cut off your electricity is. China is an adversary in the sense that they're a totalitarian government, who, by the nature of that system, cannot brook any sort of opposition to their ideology, plans, or desires. All within the state, none without. That so…

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Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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post #201

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This attitude, if followed without qualifications, is dangerously naive and shortsighted, as the last few years of geopolitical events have shown.

Yes, and no. Yes because you are vulnerable to supply chain disruption by illwilled countries. But illwilled countries that disrupt supply chains greatly incentivise others to diversify supply away from them. China could have the monopoly of rare earth production and refinery for all of eternity. But because of their reaction towards all the us allies when the us increased tariffs, I don't expect them to be relevant…

> But illwilled countries that disrupt supply chains greatly incentivise others to diversify supply away from them.

... Except when they can't in any meaningful span of time.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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“…of course, Apple may soon announce their next processor” I’m pretty sure they will, as they have, like clockwork, in the same month, for over a decade.

And reportedly early next year they have another coming out of band.

Specifically, the M7 is supposedly coming out in the Spring. The M6 band is going to be so small because the M7 will have a lot of AI-focused upgrades and Apple doesn't want to waste manufacturing on M6 Pro/Max/Ultra chips when they can start building the M7 sooner.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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post #111

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Yes and no. Having more competition in the space is excellent news. However I am sad that the world interdependence is eroding as most other countries seem to sit on their hands and happily outsource every bit of manufacturing to a single country.

I think Western people still call this situation “outsourcing” when in reality what is happening is that China is better at manufacturing than everyone else, and they’re starting to be better than everyone else at design and engineering, too. When we buy software from Silicon Valley or a nice Mercedes Benz from Germany we don’t use this same language “outsourcing.” Colloquially, outsourcing implies low quality or che…

China didn't get that way by magic. They ran the same playbook that allowed Alexander Hamilton to snatch manufacturing from Great Britain to the US, and the US gave up manufacturing for the same reason the UK gave up manufacturing (suppression of labor interests).

It will be interesting to see what China does. They aren't ideologically committed to exclusively serving the interests of the wealthy, but they still have lots of rich people in the (ahem) Communist Party, so who knows.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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post #168

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It's not reversing, it's continuing the trend of more and more manufacturing moving to Chinese companies. It already happened to TVs and it's currently happening with RAM.

By Chinese company, do you mean Taiwan is Chinese in the same way China is Chinese?

Xiaomi may manufacture their chips in Taiwan (by tsmc) but Xiaomi is still a Chinese hardware company, similar to how Apple or Qualcomm are US American hardware companies.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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ARM is merely an IP portfolio licensing company. They don't really design or build anything. And everyone uses TSMC (who uses ASML). The primary design is still being done by Xiaomi, that's the most unique part of this build. Stop downplaying how big of an achievement this is.

And how did that IP portfolio come into existence? Did it suddenly materialize out of thin air or… did ARM engineers design it? I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt: in your mothertongue, the meaning of “design” is not as broad as in English?

How about Apple M series ARM chip designs? From what I have seen only resemblance with ARM is the ISA.
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