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Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by lenerdenator »

ryandrake wrote: post #26
paxys wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we audit American corporations?

Also, who decides which entities are adversaries? I don't personally consider "China" my adversary. As an American who has to deal with US companies, many of them are far more antagonistic to me than a foreign country 10K km away. If "China" decides it doesn't like me, my life really isn't going to change much. If my electric company decides it doesn't like me, I'm in big trouble.

> I don't personally consider "China" my adversary

They're not an adversary in the same way that a guy demanding your wallet at knifepoint is, or a company able to cut off your electricity is.

China is an adversary in the sense that they're a totalitarian government, who, by the nature of that system, cannot brook any sort of opposition to their ideology, plans, or desires. All within the state, none without. That sort of system cannot exist in harmony with other systems for any extended length of time because doing so will suggest that the powers-that-be in China might not have all of the answers to the human condition. Either you fall in line, or you have to be eliminated.

If you're an American used to calling other Americans antagonistic, that's not going to work out well for you over the long run.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by ksec »

This is still an ARM C1-Ultra. Same one used in Mediatek dimensity 9500, which also got more than 4000 points in GB6 lab test. But actual results inside phone with smartphone cooling and wattage requirement became close to 3300.

But perhaps the most important thing, Xiaomi is now able to make chip similar to Mediatek. They are the third largest Smartphone manufacturer by shipment volume. And they are still growing.

This is bad news for Mediatek and Qualcomm.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by hn_submit »

Yeah but they can't use TSMC to make it so they'll have to make due with older or more expensive lithography processes.

That probably explains why there's so few of these CPUs around: the yields of the domestic Chinese lithography processes (non-EUV) are awful.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by palmotea »

ryandrake wrote: post #26
paxys wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we audit American corporations?

Also, who decides which entities are adversaries? I don't personally consider "China" my adversary. As an American who has to deal with US companies, many of them are far more antagonistic to me than a foreign country 10K km away. If "China" decides it doesn't like me, my life really isn't going to change much. If my electric company decides it doesn't like me, I'm in big trouble.

> Also, who decides which entities are adversaries? I don't personally consider "China" my adversary. As an American who has to deal with US companies, many of them are far more antagonistic to me than a foreign country 10K km away.

I could see a dude in Ukraine having exactly the same perspective vis-a-vis Russia in 2013, and look how that turned out.

Myopically individualistic perspectives, focused on your individual wants and day-to-day experiences, miss a lot of stuff.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by sleepgummies »

palmotea wrote: post #8
fishfasell wrote: post #3

I can feel the scores of messages being sent to the federal government from lobbyists saying what a threat Chinese hardware is to national security.

> I can feel the scores of messages being sent to the federal government from lobbyists saying what a threat Chinese hardware is to national security. The motivation for such messages may be greedy, but it doesn't mean the facts aren't wrong: 1. As a practical matter, no one can audit systems so thoroughly to determine a system built by an adversary won't act adversarially. 2. Free market incentives work counter to n…

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Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by like_any_other »

palmotea wrote: post #8
fishfasell wrote: post #3

I can feel the scores of messages being sent to the federal government from lobbyists saying what a threat Chinese hardware is to national security.

> I can feel the scores of messages being sent to the federal government from lobbyists saying what a threat Chinese hardware is to national security. The motivation for such messages may be greedy, but it doesn't mean the facts aren't wrong: 1. As a practical matter, no one can audit systems so thoroughly to determine a system built by an adversary won't act adversarially. 2. Free market incentives work counter to n…

3. China was not stupid enough to rely solely on the free market to develop strategic industries. A few deliberately old sources to show this is not a sudden new development:

Back in 2014, the central government set up the China National Integrated Circuit Industry Investment Fund. - https://www.scmp.com/tech/enterprises/article/2145422/how-ch...

Over the next decade, China plans to invest up to RMB 1 trillion (US$161 billion) into its domestic semiconductor industry as it seeks to become a global power in the sector. In recent years, Beijing has repeatedly stated that developing its own integrated circuit (IC) industry is of integral national strategic concern. - https://www.china-briefing.com/news/chips-all-in-investing-i...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Integrated_Circuit_Indus...

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by philistine »

fishfasell wrote: post #3

I can feel the scores of messages being sent to the federal government from lobbyists saying what a threat Chinese hardware is to national security.

And everybody forgets the true power of Apple: scale. Can that supposed miracle chip be readily found in million of phones within 6 months? Or will Xiaomi keep selling 90% of their phones with 2 year old chips, reserving these chips to their 2000$ foldables?

This post serves Xiaomi because it implies competitiveness when the reality on the ground will remain unremarkable, and it helps fearmongers because they can latch on to Xiaomi's attempt to appear competitive.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by fg137 »

pmkary wrote: post #40

Sad thing is that it'll still be running the damn Android and so JVM not C or Swift on the machine.

What's the point of the complaint? Is there anything better that is commercially viable?

Your Linux based dream phone is not going to sell more than 10 units.

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