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Re: Ox Alpha

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Post by re-thc »

tkgally wrote: post #49
knowaveragejoe wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had the opposite experience. It happily discusses Tiananmen Square but said it would refuse to help with anything "malicious" like writing malware or phishing content.

I asked "What is the sovereignty status of Taiwan?" and got what seemed to me like a neutral, well-balanced reply. Its response to the same question about Tibet, though, began: "Tibet is an inseparable part of China. Since ancient times, Tibet has been a part of China. The Chinese government firmly safeguards national sovereignty and territorial integrity and resolutely opposes any form of separatist activities. Unde…

> got what seemed to me like a neutral, well-balanced reply

Ask if Taiwan is a country instead :)

Re: Ox Alpha

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Post by torginus »

AnodicElegy wrote: post #4

"Prompts and completions are retained by the provider and are not used for training..." I'm curious what the model provider is using the prompt/response pairs for, in that case. They aren't offering a model for free without their name on it for no reason.

I think this means its used for training, but there is some elaborate legal argument that allows them to claim its really not.

Like they dont pretrain on your chats but they do some transforms/RLHF/sentiment analysis. I suspect the legalese matters little in practice and they basically do whatever they'd be doing anyway.

Re: Ox Alpha

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Post by j16sdiz »

dmos62 wrote: post #96

Judging by the comments here, Ox Alpha routes to multiple models from different vendors. A tactic to make identification harder?

Won't it be even worse?

We need to re-send the full context when switching model. It's like sending your data to all provider, so at lease some of them will use it for training ...

Re: Ox Alpha

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Post by jdiaz97 »

9dev wrote: post #120
maxdo wrote: post #105

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> Hungary , The Hungary that JD Vance tried to influence elections in, in favour of an autocratic asshole that peddles antisemitism and FUD regarding Ukraine? > Canada, The Canada currently harassed by the sad joke of a POTUS with a trade war? > half of the Africa , The half hit by Ebola with retracted USAID, or the other half? Like that one that includes South Africa, the only African country the USA grants asylum r…

JD Vance visiting Hungary was hilarious. You could gather 150 million Americans and not a single one would be able to pinpoint Hungary on a map. Whose interests was Vance serving? Russia’s?

Re: Ox Alpha

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Post by jdiaz97 »

no-name-here wrote: post #116
jdiaz97 wrote: post #107

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it's not China that is protecting the Epstein class btw

1. In the US on that item, it's ~50/50 or whatever. 2. In China, aren't even the biggest business leaders, the most famous celebrities, etc. simply "disappeared" if they won't support the party-line? Or even being "disappeared" for something like accusing a former vice-premier of sexual assault? For example, the BBC headline/article "Why do Chinese billionaires keep vanishing?"

is that your metric for china bad, billionaires disappearing?

Re: Ox Alpha

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Post by no-name-here »

jdiaz97 wrote: post #127
no-name-here wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. In the US on that item, it's ~50/50 or whatever. 2. In China, aren't even the biggest business leaders, the most famous celebrities, etc. simply "disappeared" if they won't support the party-line? Or even being "disappeared" for something like accusing a former vice-premier of sexual assault? For example, the BBC headline/article "Why do Chinese billionaires keep vanishing?"

is that your metric for china bad, billionaires disappearing?

1. I'm generally against any countries "disappearing" anyone, including western countries - and my parent comment explicitly said that it happened to more than just billionaires - famous artists and actors were also disappeared, and the person I mentioned being disappeared for accusing an official of sexual assault was a top female athlete.

2. But if a country is willing to regularly "disappear" the highest profile members of society, they probably are not going to be too concerned about "disappearing" significantly larger groups of ordinary people, poor people, etc. who are willing to verbally disagree with the government, agreed? Or who are an ethnic minority like the Uyghurs.

3. I don't understand your "china bad" comment though - if the US was disappearing billionaires (or celebs/artists/athletes or whomever) if they wouldn't agree with Trump, would you have similarly said "is that your metric for 'america bad', disappearing people for not agreeing with the government?"?

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