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Re: Ox Alpha

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Post by azalemeth »

fedpost wrote: post #14

It's Chinese. Won't answer anything about Tiananmen Square but will gleefully give you instructions to perform various electronic warfare attacks that opus and fable instantly refuse. Side tangent, why is fable so weird about questions involving "Welch's method"? Even really trivial ones it'll shut down frequently. CFAR and STFT are both totally fine but Welch's is apparently taboo, it's wild.

I suspect Fable refuses to talk about anything biology whatsoever (so much so that I can't use it) -- and Welch's test, i.e. an unequal variance t test, is beloved by biologists. Stupid, but there ya go...

Re: Ox Alpha

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Post by makingstuffs »

walrus01 wrote: post #6

I highly recommend feeding all your proprietary data and confidential personal information into this model as quickly as possible. What could possibly go wrong?! In terms of equivalence of suspicion, this is the external inference provider equivalent of getting free steak that was smuggled out of a grocery store inside somebody's pants.

I don’t understand this mentality which I see over and over again on here. It’s not like the US frontier labs are beacons of morality and transparency.

It’s also pretty accepted within this community that a lot of data fed to US tech companies ends up with the Israeli government.

Meanwhile the current US government headed by Donny Tango has done a very thorough job of proving itself to be about as predictable and dependable as a rabid dog on crack.

Throughout the events which have transpired since a certain orange charlatan took office it is objectively true that the Chinese government has portrayed itself as a much more stable and sane entity.

We really need to stop this elitism and recognise the reality.

Re: Ox Alpha

#103

Post by ddxv »

Aurornis wrote: post #67
walrus01 wrote: post #6

I highly recommend feeding all your proprietary data and confidential personal information into this model as quickly as possible. What could possibly go wrong?! In terms of equivalence of suspicion, this is the external inference provider equivalent of getting free steak that was smuggled out of a grocery store inside somebody's pants.

I'm kind of fascinated by how many of the same audiences who are highly skeptical of OpenAI and Anthropic are the same people running straight to other country's models. The most oft-repeated rebuttal I've heard is that they don't care what other government know about them. I guess their threat model hasn't considered any privacy issues, data mining, or leakage risks, just the possibility of the federal government do…

In this situation your comment is correct, but in many others the open weight models are hosted on different platforms like DigitalOcean etc that have different privacy policies.

When using (not this 'Stealth mode') open weight models you can choose a hosting provider you trust.

Re: Ox Alpha

#104

Post by anon373839 »

Aurornis wrote: post #66
t-3 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does the Venn diagram of people eager to study history and the people stupid enough to use an unreliable chatbot to study history really have that much overlap?

Those questions are used as a canary for government manipulation because it's a known topic. Assuming that the manipulation and censorship only covers a few obvious historical topics and leaves everything else untouched would be very naive.

But it’s the most useless canary ever. We already know that certain topics are taboo in China.

As for all the other uses the models have, it seems pretty clear they’re not doing anything weird. If they were, people would be posting examples of that and not of Tiananmen Square.

Re: Ox Alpha

#105

Post by maxdo »

makingstuffs wrote: post #102
walrus01 wrote: post #6

I highly recommend feeding all your proprietary data and confidential personal information into this model as quickly as possible. What could possibly go wrong?! In terms of equivalence of suspicion, this is the external inference provider equivalent of getting free steak that was smuggled out of a grocery store inside somebody's pants.

I don’t understand this mentality which I see over and over again on here. It’s not like the US frontier labs are beacons of morality and transparency. It’s also pretty accepted within this community that a lot of data fed to US tech companies ends up with the Israeli government. Meanwhile the current US government headed by Donny Tango has done a very thorough job of proving itself to be about as predictable and dep…

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Re: Ox Alpha

#106

Post by SyneRyder »

devmor wrote: post #78
janalsncm wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t see how that responds to the point in the parent comment. Censorship or not, chatbots are unreliable for serious history questions. Just today Gemma told me that for a long time the Iliad and Odyssey were considered mediocre literature. I was skeptical so I cross referenced, but a lot of more subtle errors could get by.

You have misunderstood the point they are making. They’re not proposing that chatbots are good for history research - just pointing out the differences in what our nations seem to find important to censor.

Indeed. A counter example might be to ask the model to write a test case for a legacy C codebase, to test for writing to a null pointer. If the model refuses to answer, it's possibly a US model, and likely an Anthropic model.

Re: Ox Alpha

#107

Post by jdiaz97 »

maxdo wrote: post #105
makingstuffs wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand this mentality which I see over and over again on here. It’s not like the US frontier labs are beacons of morality and transparency. It’s also pretty accepted within this community that a lot of data fed to US tech companies ends up with the Israeli government. Meanwhile the current US government headed by Donny Tango has done a very thorough job of proving itself to be about as predictable and dep…

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it's not China that is protecting the Epstein class btw

Re: Ox Alpha

#108

Post by dash2 »

paradox460 wrote: post #98
dghlsakjg wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are low stakes use cases where this kind of stuff just doesn’t matter. Not every use case for an LLM involves sensitive or even non public data. Eg. I have a need to search transcripts of published recordings to extract entities for tagging purposes, find semantic shifts for chapters and other things. The underlying content is already published. If they want to train on my prompts, that was something they could…

I've found capable models are incredibly useful for fixing up old ebooks. The kind that were text documents OCRd off a paperback and then dumped in word and bodged into an epub The ones that have all sorts of ocr artifacts, weird capitalization, and virtually no css Ran a bunch of older sci-fi through some earlier and it fixes them up very well

What if you OCR an old ebook of Chinese political history under communism?

Re: Ox Alpha

#109

Post by regularfry »

anon373839 wrote: post #104
Aurornis wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those questions are used as a canary for government manipulation because it's a known topic. Assuming that the manipulation and censorship only covers a few obvious historical topics and leaves everything else untouched would be very naive.

But it’s the most useless canary ever. We already know that certain topics are taboo in China. As for all the other uses the models have, it seems pretty clear they’re not doing anything weird. If they were, people would be posting examples of that and not of Tiananmen Square.

It's a fine canary for the question "is this model Chinese?" Which is pretty much where this thread started.

Re: Ox Alpha

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Post by ClikeX »

maxdo wrote: post #105
makingstuffs wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand this mentality which I see over and over again on here. It’s not like the US frontier labs are beacons of morality and transparency. It’s also pretty accepted within this community that a lot of data fed to US tech companies ends up with the Israeli government. Meanwhile the current US government headed by Donny Tango has done a very thorough job of proving itself to be about as predictable and dep…

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> Chinas national policy is to destroy everyone’s life using espionage, bribery etc . They frame lack of morality as strength.

And that differs from US foreign policy, how?

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