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Re: Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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Post by palmotea »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #27
RivieraKid wrote: post #15

I'm not that young anymore but when I hear Dario Amodei speak and gesticulate enthusiastically about how AI will soon make my job redundant, from a positio of someone who can retire now and who benefits from AI possibly replacing workers, it's very hard to like him.

Lets suppose everyone in the world miraculously loses their jobs to AI, who is paying for it? How? What are they selling? What stops the rest of humanity from turning data centers into a pile of ash? These people are so disconnected from reality.

> Lets suppose everyone in the world miraculously loses their jobs to AI, who is paying for it? How? What are they selling?

The paying/selling part will be transitory. Right now the people paying for it are investors, and they're selling a cost-cutting dream to executive managers.

If someone builds a machine that automated all the jobs, they've have amassed an unprecedented amount of power, even if the economy is in ruins for everyone else. They won't need to sell anything to anyone.

> What stops the rest of humanity from turning data centers into a pile of ash?

AI slaughterbots. Think the Ukraine front line, but completely automated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-2tpwW0kmU

Re: Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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Post by palmotea »

tim333 wrote: post #155
digitaltrees wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that there is a lot of hardship during the transition. Literal kids starving in the streets. The entire midwest is a testament to what happens when short sighted policy assumes systems are self healing. There are generational assets like well built factories and railroads that took immense capital and literally cost lives of willing and unwilling laborers to build that are just wasting away and returning to na…

Though a lot of that was a political choice to outsource to China and similar. We've had a lot of new tech since 1900 - cars, electric motors, internet, computers and the like and I'm not sure it's led to inevitable unemployment as opposed to people doing different jobs. The times there were mass unemployment like the great depression were more down to dumb economics and politics rather than tech. Even with AGI robot…

> Though a lot of that was a political choice to outsource to China and similar. We've had a lot of new tech since 1900 - cars, electric motors, internet, computers and the like and I'm not sure it's led to inevitable unemployment as opposed to people doing different jobs. The times there were mass unemployment like the great depression were more down to dumb economics and politics rather than tech.

None of those technological shifts affected so many of the jobs at once, nor did they simultaneously threaten many of the alternative jobs for those affected.

> Even with AGI robots smarter than us I think there's a good chance it would go like the Antebellum South with robots replacing the slaves and humans planning their debutantes balls.

Ok. So you have a small number of planters with big estates, what happens to all the other people (e.g. the "slaves" and other worksers, after the planters no longer need them)?

Wealth is not distributed evenly enough for such a fantasy. Dario Amodei and Sam Altman will be able to go play planter. Me? Not so much.

Re: Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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Post by palmotea »

DANmode wrote: post #144
apple4ever wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How will we be able to have those when we have no job and no home and no money?

Again, this isn’t my perspective, just again parroting what’s being asked for: if there’s less work to be done for everyone to have what they need, that would be considered a benefit by governed society, and universal basic income will likely be rolled out.

> if there’s less work to be done for everyone to have what they need, that would be considered a benefit by governed society

Not necessarily. It's not going to be evenly distributed. It's not like today, but everyone works 4 hours a week. Some dudes will work 80, others won't work at all. That situation is what's most adventitious to shareholders.

> and universal basic income will likely be rolled out.

If UBI even happens, it's going to enable a poverty-level existence.

Thing of all the things you enjoy doing, that you wouldn't be able to afford if you were in poverty. That's UBI life.

Re: Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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Post by scrumper »

piloto_ciego wrote: post #159
scrumper wrote: post #137

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> Also, this speaks to me as someone who has never used used a screw driver to turn a screw into a board. The drill driver has made it amazingly better. You are inadvertently proving my point. Yes an impact driver makes it easier to get a screw into a board, but a carpenter still works a full day. Technology's reducing effect on labor effort is always used to increase output, never to decrease input. > Dream bigger I…

I doubt you're "awake" in any sort of matter. The percentage of farm hands today is a lot lower than 200 years ago. Dream bigger. You're not awake, you're clinging to a fantasy where you get to be a special privileged member of society. That is done. We're not going back. You can sit here moaning about how you used to be special and important, or you can start doing the hard work of building a society where not havin…

You are not understanding a word I am writing. That is fine. I wish you luck in your Walden fantasy, constructed with the fruits of the economy you refuse to participate in.

> or you can start doing the hard work of building a society where not having a job doesn't put your very survival at risk.

Escaping to a forest cabin might well be hard work but it helps nobody other than yourself. You are escaping from society, not building a new one. Your comments about privilege are deeply misplaced.

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Post by red-iron-pine »

palmotea wrote: post #162
tim333 wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Though a lot of that was a political choice to outsource to China and similar. We've had a lot of new tech since 1900 - cars, electric motors, internet, computers and the like and I'm not sure it's led to inevitable unemployment as opposed to people doing different jobs. The times there were mass unemployment like the great depression were more down to dumb economics and politics rather than tech. Even with AGI robot…

> Though a lot of that was a political choice to outsource to China and similar. We've had a lot of new tech since 1900 - cars, electric motors, internet, computers and the like and I'm not sure it's led to inevitable unemployment as opposed to people doing different jobs. The times there were mass unemployment like the great depression were more down to dumb economics and politics rather than tech. None of those tec…

all of the memes showing up on 8chan, dark net forums, corners of reddit, make it clear what they're about: Zachariah 13:8

> in all the land, two-thirds will be cut off and perish, but one-third will be left alive

e.g. game reviewer ssethtzentach added it to his most recent video, etc.

the messaging is following a similar trend as qanon, you can tell there is a broad effort to get this trickling into popular consciousness, though it's hard to tell if this is to get people to accept it or fight it

Re: Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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Post by red-iron-pine »

cute_boi wrote: post #52
giancarlostoro wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets suppose everyone in the world miraculously loses their jobs to AI, who is paying for it? How? What are they selling? What stops the rest of humanity from turning data centers into a pile of ash? These people are so disconnected from reality.

And, idk what is the end goal here. Even if 20% of people lose their job the crime and prostitution will shoot up....

profound luxury for a few; North Korea or the short story "manna" by M Brain for the rest of us

Re: Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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Post by red-iron-pine »

DANmode wrote: post #144
apple4ever wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How will we be able to have those when we have no job and no home and no money?

Again, this isn’t my perspective, just again parroting what’s being asked for: if there’s less work to be done for everyone to have what they need, that would be considered a benefit by governed society, and universal basic income will likely be rolled out.

why likely? the guys who have all of the money are trying their hardest to crush it

literally the ones related to this very site

Re: Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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Post by red-iron-pine »

piloto_ciego wrote: post #86
grebc wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh yeah don’t be naive, but we’ll just take what we want. Ok bro.

I mean, we've done it before lol

with muskets, not social media that has already made a reasonably good guess at your actual name and address.

a ding to the social credit score but not enough for a drone or ICE team to be dispatched to your address. but that might change.

Re: Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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Post by red-iron-pine »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #92
RivieraKid wrote: post #15

I'm not that young anymore but when I hear Dario Amodei speak and gesticulate enthusiastically about how AI will soon make my job redundant, from a positio of someone who can retire now and who benefits from AI possibly replacing workers, it's very hard to like him.

Is it the replacing workers thing so much or are young people just fucking sick of tech (and Silicon Valley in general) and AI is the latest whipping boy? (Or maybe I'm just projecting.)

before tech had the potential to make my life easier, more fun, smoother.

say what you will about uber but it is a seamless service. there are a lot of great apps out there.

now tech isn't making things better it's rapidly converting to aggressive rent seeking, and everyone can see it.

only a rube thinks Big Tech is going to make tomorrow better for everyone.

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Post by craftwerk »

chillfox wrote: post #84
dwohnitmok wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Infuriating as it is, this is still better than with the bad old days of taxis, which usually had even worse resolution and accountability. It sounds like people don't quite grasp just how bad the taxi experience was.

The taxi experience was pretty great where I live and where I traveled. I guess we were experiencing different parts of the world.

I can share an example of a trip we just did to South America to two countries. Four out of four taxi rides were scams. Things are better to the extent there were controls in place, like taxi meters and an app. There the scam was less but still involved scams. Too long to detail in a comment here.

I should also mention we tried to use their version of Uber (DiDi), but I suspect there was some kind of price-fixing attempt there because no taxis would come for the price that they suggested. We had the option of upping our price until someone came and then I gave up on the service.

My other experiences were some years back in upstate New York, where there were also questionable practices, and you really had to look over the driver’s shoulder. They tried to control scams with payments based on zones, and the drivers would bend the rules when possible.

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