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Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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Re: Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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post #94

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Well, those are political decisions, and WE (not the nebulous "they") are who make those decisions. Like, I lost literally everything when I got sick. I think I probably understand "hovering about the knife edge" better than most people on this site. I lost my career, my sense of identity, and more than most can imagine. When you have faced explaining to your son how you might not make it through treatment and how he…

>read marx >dreams of man made famine and desolation Do you happen to wear glasses, mister Ciego? Me and my marx reading boys have some bourgeois liquidation quotas to fill.

You ever read Marx?

I’m not a Marxist, but jeepers, it should be required reading of people.

Re: Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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post #55

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A CEO of a large AI company is hardly just a "messenger" here. Come on now.

I… yes, he is. He wasn’t born when this was put in motion by Turing in 1950, and he quit OpenAI to try to stick to their original mission, which was exclusively and ambitiously to prevent what most (who cared to look at it) assumed was inevitable. AI isn’t a new iPhone moment, it’s a fire moment. Dario Amodei didn’t bring it into existence, physics did — we’re just slowly working out the cognitive science for the fir…

Terribly interesting that being a messenger these days is so lucrative. $15.5b net worth, while definitely not at the top of the food chain, is really living in this day and age, wouldn't you say? Simply wonderful to be just aligned so nicely in the progression of the universe, because all this was decided long, long ago after all, to just be leaving us all a kind note that everything humanity has achieved thus far is moot, there is nothing in our current system we should carry forward, that there isn't any possibility that we could use our very small minds to come up with any concerns or reasons why this might be the best path, and that no, we don't have any say in it, and for his paltry and humble service to us on the behalf on Physics, Dario squeaks out a living just like the rest of us.

So kind also of Physics himself to have gone to such trouble, to have invented all these brilliant GPUs in the first place, synthesized trillions of dollars to build the data centers to hold them, and burned the midnight electrons mining all that coal and natural gas to fuel the power plants it built too.

All is for the best in this best of all possible worlds in which inevitability steers our destiny. You know, I've really been considering getting a lobotomy myself. I guess it's a pretty grand idea that thinking is now categorically outmoded. But then again I might really should have done it when they were cheaper in 2010, because Physics had it all under control anyway!

The fundamental delusion of this take is why we are suffering this lunacy. When the crash happens after the circular ponzi scheme hanging all its risk on the public breaks apart the hatred for these lunatics will be justified.

But then I guess the lunatics would simply claim that they didn't have enough situational awareness as they run away with our tax money after the bailout.

Re: Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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I wonder how much of this is caused by income inequality. There are some young people I talk to that are genuinely worried about whether AI will take all the jobs. But there are a lot more that rightfully realize that they probably can't afford the middle class life their parents had and are annoyed at all the money AI is hoovering up and how rich these CEOs are. And that's the surface level. There's all sorts of res…

I'm skeptical of the income inequality hypothesis as the US Gini has been mostly stagnant for 20 years (as per https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/SIPOVGINIUSA ). I'd imagine that (social|) media has a fairly large impact on this phenomenon as it makes inequality more visible than before.

You're probably right about (social) media being a factor but overindexing on Gini. Here's a chart that shows dramatically rising wealth gaps in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_Unite...

If I got this right Gini measures inequality in either income or spending but as Piketty showed we have crazy rising inequality in capital / wealth.

Re: Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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post #33

Are there any CEOs people do trust? (I wonder how it compares if someone made a list of politicians) this seems to be the list: 65% Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella 70% Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg 70% Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang 70% OpenAI CEO Sam Altman 70% SpaceX CEO Elon Musk 75% Alphabet CEO Sundar Pichai 75% Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei 79% Palantir Chairman Peter Thiel 81% Palantir CEO Alex Karp

They are all slimeballs but how does Zuck have a non-zero trust rating?

Re: Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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post #9

These popularity contests are won and lost based on marketing content on TikTok. If the opinions of young people were relevant they'd be appropriately shifted on demand. Few of them are reasoned positions so they can be shifted one way or the other with targeted advertising.

If you had not noticed, these AI companies already are advertising very heavily directly at the youth. OpenAi in particular is trying really hard to convince the college age crowd they are cool, though others (Google, Anthropic) have followed suit.

Re: Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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post #71

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And, idk what is the end goal here. Even if 20% of people lose their job the crime and prostitution will shoot up....

More free time for proper rest, hobby, and well-considered expression? I’m not saying Anthropic and OpenAI are going to be the ones to deliver it - but…you really don’t see the ubiquitous need for these?

How will we be able to have those when we have no job and no home and no money?

Re: Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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post #7

How oblivious are people to the world that they think this is somehow strange or hard to believe? Why would they like any of the tech CEOs, or CEOs in general? It's hard to see why basically anyone would at this point.

Because the products these companies produce are extremely popular, and people benefit from them.

Even if both are true (which is arguably), it's only at the current price point. When prices start to match what it costs, that will change greatly.

Re: Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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post #23

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Sure, CEOs are rarely appreciated in general. But the anti-tech sentiment is absolutely a new and rapidly growing beast. It’s different — trust me.

A lot of tech recently has just made things worse. Uber made the taxi experience way worse and less predictable. Now, I can’t just walk out of a bar, get into a clean taxi and go home, I have to fiddle with an app, wait, wave trying to identify “my” ride, then hope it’s clean and safe. It’s a nightmare compared to what we had before. Uber eats made food delivery significantly worse and more expensive. It used to be t…

What? The reason Uber was so successful is because it was better. You don't have to waive your hand and pray they see you and stop. You use an app which is easy and you know when they are coming. And you can know the price ahead of time and the route. I've never gotten into a dirty Uber but definitely have gotten into dirty taxis. Whatever Ubers faults, they are better than taxis.

And at best you could get pizza delivered. Now everything can be delivered. Just because sometimes the drivers mess up doesn't mean overall it's worse.

Neither of your examples are good ones for your point.

Re: Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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post #23

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Sure, CEOs are rarely appreciated in general. But the anti-tech sentiment is absolutely a new and rapidly growing beast. It’s different — trust me.

A lot of tech recently has just made things worse. Uber made the taxi experience way worse and less predictable. Now, I can’t just walk out of a bar, get into a clean taxi and go home, I have to fiddle with an app, wait, wave trying to identify “my” ride, then hope it’s clean and safe. It’s a nightmare compared to what we had before. Uber eats made food delivery significantly worse and more expensive. It used to be t…

You and I must live in parallel universes or something.

You can still hail cabs off the street, it’s just that it’s an inefficient way of getting a ride.

Using uber I will immediately see the price up front and I can tailor the cab to my needs and price.

Re: Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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Infuriating as it is, this is still better than with the bad old days of taxis, which usually had even worse resolution and accountability. It sounds like people don't quite grasp just how bad the taxi experience was.

The taxi experience was pretty great where I live and where I traveled. I guess we were experiencing different parts of the world.

To be clear the happy path for taxis for me was fine. When things worked things were quite smooth. But this thread is primarily about when things went off the happy path. If a taxi didn't show up, I'd usually have a disinterested dispatcher to talk with who might be able to send another in a half hour. If a taxi intentionally went the long way around to charge more, I'd have to have an argument with the cabbie about this and maybe things would go well maybe they wouldn't. While I didn't personally experience harassment from cabbies I definitely know people who have. So on and so forth. In all of these cases off the happy path the usual recourse back then was worse than the recourse today with e.g. Uber.

Again the overwhelming majority of my taxi rides were fine. The overwhelming majority of my Uber rides are also fine. But when things go wrong they definitely went wrong worse with taxis than Uber rides for me.

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