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Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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Re: Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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Post by DANmode »

cute_boi wrote: post #52
giancarlostoro wrote: post #27

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Lets suppose everyone in the world miraculously loses their jobs to AI, who is paying for it? How? What are they selling? What stops the rest of humanity from turning data centers into a pile of ash? These people are so disconnected from reality.

And, idk what is the end goal here. Even if 20% of people lose their job the crime and prostitution will shoot up....

More free time for proper rest, hobby, and well-considered expression?

I’m not saying Anthropic and OpenAI are going to be the ones to deliver it - but…you really don’t see the ubiquitous need for these?

Re: Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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Post by piloto_ciego »

scrumper wrote: post #64
piloto_ciego wrote: post #60

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It's just Neo Luddite stuff... we don't have to accept the current status quo. Good lord I'd love it if all my needs were met by the abundance of the planet and I could spend my days working on projects I liked and exploring. Why can't anyone see beyond their job?

Magical wishful thinking is as misguided as even the most rabid anti-tech critique. Your - piloto_ciego - needs will never be met by the abundance of the planet. Perhaps your great great great grandchildren may begin to live in such a free way, but you and everyone else alive now will not. There are too many people on the planet, wealth is too unevenly distributed, food production is too unevenly distributed, water i…

Dude, I'm building an off grid cabin in the woods. I already live pretty "freely." Dream bigger. We can change and make the world awesome! We have to want to though.

> Electricity promised to eliminate toil and bring us a life of leisure. It did not. Perhaps all technologies have this potential, AI included. That potential will never be realized because relentless and perpetual growth is a necessary precondition and justification for the development and expansion of such technologies, and that growth demands and consumes whatever excess human capacity that the technology freed up.

Also, this speaks to me as someone who has never used used a screw driver to turn a screw into a board. The drill driver has made it amazingly better.

EDIT to add:

Also, I've lived a subsistence lifestyle before, I'm fairly close to doing it again though I'll still need some money to roll through the household? Dream bigger buddy. It's not all doom and gloom.

Re: Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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Post by piloto_ciego »

grebc wrote: post #61
piloto_ciego wrote: post #58

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Man, I see this stuff, and I think, "my god! think of the opportunity we have to replace the current economic system with something where we're not all in a fierce knife fight to try to stay employed so we don't starve!" We have to stop fearing the machines and start fearing the firmware running on our brains! It's capitalism that's the problem, not the robots... if anything the robots can liberate us from capital's…

It’s amusing to imagine the oligarchs are going to anymore charitable than currently.

They don't have to be charitable.

We can literally take it from them. I get why people don't like to think about that sort of thing, but... yeah. We could make AI a sort of public good and do something like the Permanent Fund Dividend or something. There's lots of options even in the "reformist" way of thinking about it. But we shouldn't be naive.

Re: Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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Post by quantified »

DANmode wrote: post #71
cute_boi wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And, idk what is the end goal here. Even if 20% of people lose their job the crime and prostitution will shoot up....

More free time for proper rest, hobby, and well-considered expression? I’m not saying Anthropic and OpenAI are going to be the ones to deliver it - but…you really don’t see the ubiquitous need for these?

Ain't going to happen and you know it.

Re: Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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Post by mvlipwig »

kj4211cash wrote: post #49

I wonder how much of this is caused by income inequality. There are some young people I talk to that are genuinely worried about whether AI will take all the jobs. But there are a lot more that rightfully realize that they probably can't afford the middle class life their parents had and are annoyed at all the money AI is hoovering up and how rich these CEOs are. And that's the surface level. There's all sorts of res…

I'm skeptical of the income inequality hypothesis as the US Gini has been mostly stagnant for 20 years (as per https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/SIPOVGINIUSA). I'd imagine that (social|) media has a fairly large impact on this phenomenon as it makes inequality more visible than before.

Re: Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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Post by HDBaseT »

sthkr wrote: post #14

Automation is such an old concept invented back in the 1st century AD. Furthermore, I don't see people hating the CEOs of Siemens, Honeywell, Schneider Electric, ABB, Yokogawa, Emerson, Allen Bradley, GE Fanuc, Kuka, Hyundia, Mitsubishi etc. They've been automating entire industries & manufacturing with their controllers (PLCs, DCS etc), SCADA, HMI & systems for decades. The first PLC was invented by General Motors b…

Yes, and when they replaced the manual slow looms with fast machines, people lost jobs, people went homeless, families were destroyed.

Unless there is a mechanism to convert the extra revenue from machines back to humans, the money just filters to the top 1% of the 1%. Unfortunately, that has effectively never been the case in history. Job displacement is the real late stage capitalism.

Re: Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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Post by strenholme »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #28

This makes me think of last year when Adobe made a Bluesky account and got shouted off the platform within a day for no other reason than Adobe sucks. I have hope that it signals a trend that certain audiences are simply starting to exercise taste.

Here’s a Reddit thread on Adobe being shouted down on BlueSky:

https://old.reddit.com/r/BlueskySocial/comments/1juptdx/adob...

If that doesn’t open (Reddit has become a walled garden):

https://archive.ph/20260817024427/https://www.reddit.com/r/B...

Re: Young People Hate AI CEOs So Passionately That It's Almost Hard to Believe

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Post by grebc »

piloto_ciego wrote: post #73
grebc wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s amusing to imagine the oligarchs are going to anymore charitable than currently.

They don't have to be charitable. We can literally take it from them. I get why people don't like to think about that sort of thing, but... yeah. We could make AI a sort of public good and do something like the Permanent Fund Dividend or something. There's lots of options even in the "reformist" way of thinking about it. But we shouldn't be naive.

Oh yeah don’t be naive, but we’ll just take what we want. Ok bro.
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