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RustDesk now supports true unattended remote access on Wayland

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Re: RustDesk now supports true unattended remote access on Wayland

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Post by SubiculumCode »

inktype wrote: post #18

RustDesk still does not support encrypted connections when self hosting: https://github.com/rustdesk/rustdesk/issues/3714

I think you bring up a fine point. Most applications have encryption built in and transparent to the user. While technical IT people in charge of infrastructure will not make this assumption, it is not unreasonable, at the same time, for small business / individual users, to not understand or know of this limitation.

VNC does not, for example, and you need to set up port forwarding through ssh. X2Go does....but I don't trust it terribly. So, RustDesk..what do you need to wrap it in? ssh?

I really want a better solution that VNC/X2Go..especially since I use hardware accelerated apps that need to use VGL to operate correctly (but underwhich operation is quite buggy).

Re: RustDesk now supports true unattended remote access on Wayland

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Post by SubiculumCode »

wooben wrote: post #28
inktype wrote: post #18

RustDesk still does not support encrypted connections when self hosting: https://github.com/rustdesk/rustdesk/issues/3714

Your statement is not entirely accurate. This only applies when using Direct IP Access on local networks, which is off by default. Their justification and invitation to PRs is the final comment [1] on the issue you linked. Why are you leaving this information out of your comment? 1 - https://github.com/rustdesk/rustdesk/issues/3714#issuecommen...

It may only apply to Direct IP Access, but isn't that what many would expect (not trusting middleman to be secure?)

Re: RustDesk now supports true unattended remote access on Wayland

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Post by topspin »

vablings wrote: post #13
throwaway27448 wrote: post #10

What is rustdesk and how is it distinct from vnc? Edit: i appreciate the explanations; thank you.

Well first there was TeamViewer which was VNC with more bells and whistles then it became enshittified. Then anydesk came along and ate up teamviewer then that became enshittified, Now we have rustdesk which seems to hopefully be a bit more immune to being enshittified. If you already use VNC this is not something for you

I've noticed that RealVNC has hidden their formerly free VNC desktop client, now called RealVNC Classic Viewer, behind an enterprise subscription login, and replaced it with a different cloud first thing, RealVNC Connect Viewer, that requires a login to at least obtain, and is anemic in terms of features.

Not that RealVNC is VNC. However, enshittification has clearly taken another scalp.

Re: RustDesk now supports true unattended remote access on Wayland

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Post by strbean »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #17
tredre3 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A modern consumer GPU can crack "four random English words" in a day. [...] but arguing that that scheme is actually secure is just wrong. Let me do just that! This is a networked service. You send your password (or a hashed form) to it, and it validates it. You don't have the local hash to bruteforce it offline. Even if we only consider the top 10k english words, it's 10000^4. It's going to take years to bruteforc…

Virtually any password other than "password123" is fine if you're rate limited to a few guesses per day by a networked service. Passwords should be secure against the inevitable data breach when the service you're using loses their hashed password database, which happens on a routine basis.

Seems like the only real issue here is that rustdesk uses SHA256 instead of argon2.

Re: RustDesk now supports true unattended remote access on Wayland

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Post by SubiculumCode »

aspbee555 wrote: post #26

RustDesk works so much better and easier than vnc and other vendored solutions. No need to open ports, no need for vpn, it just works, no account BS, no vendor lock in BS. I have used RustDesk for years, also run my own lookup/relay server so I do not need to rely on the public lookup server While everything else gets enshitified RustDesk just keeps getting better

Without self-hosting, how can I be sure that the middleman server layer won't affect my security?

Re: RustDesk now supports true unattended remote access on Wayland

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Post by mschild »

vablings wrote: post #13
throwaway27448 wrote: post #10

What is rustdesk and how is it distinct from vnc? Edit: i appreciate the explanations; thank you.

Well first there was TeamViewer which was VNC with more bells and whistles then it became enshittified. Then anydesk came along and ate up teamviewer then that became enshittified, Now we have rustdesk which seems to hopefully be a bit more immune to being enshittified. If you already use VNC this is not something for you

RustDesk is also open source including the server so you can fully self-host.

Re: RustDesk now supports true unattended remote access on Wayland

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Post by shock »

pizza234 wrote: post #24
throwaway27448 wrote: post #10

What is rustdesk and how is it distinct from vnc? Edit: i appreciate the explanations; thank you.

VNC and RustDesk are both remote desktop solutions, however, Rustdesk is considerably more performant than the VNC family, because the latter primarily sends framebuffer updates, while the former can use modern video codecs and temporal compression to encode screen changes much more efficiently.

> Rustdesk is considerably more performant than the VNC family

It consumes, on the client, 800%-1200% CPU AND 8%-10% GPU decode on my NVIDIA card. I opened a bug and they transformed it into a discussion, without any response.

Re: RustDesk now supports true unattended remote access on Wayland

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Post by preisschild »

dj0k3r wrote: post #22
inktype wrote: post #18

RustDesk still does not support encrypted connections when self hosting: https://github.com/rustdesk/rustdesk/issues/3714

Tailscale, or any encrypted mesh overlay is perfect for this. Infact I prefer it that way. Rustdesk can do what it does best at its core.

I disagree, modern software should make encrypted connections over something like HTTP3 or QUIC directly so true secure end to end connectivity works. This would make VPN software such as tailscale obsolete.
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