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RustDesk now supports true unattended remote access on Wayland

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Re: RustDesk now supports true unattended remote access on Wayland

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Post by tialaramex »

tredre3 wrote: post #15
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's open-source, so just build it yourself with the tiny change. Something this trivial could be done with a 30 second prompt at this point, so there's not even an excuse of "too much effort". I will note that the XKCD password scheme being proposed there is, in fact, completely insecure. A modern consumer GPU can crack "four random English words" in a day. You can argue that it's the user's choice to be allowed to…

> A modern consumer GPU can crack "four random English words" in a day. [...] but arguing that that scheme is actually secure is just wrong. Let me do just that! This is a networked service. You send your password (or a hashed form) to it, and it validates it. You don't have the local hash to bruteforce it offline. Even if we only consider the top 10k english words, it's 10000^4. It's going to take years to bruteforc…

> This is a networked service. You send your password (or a hashed form) to it

Hopefully neither. But given everybody involved in VNC seems to be the same batch of clueless morons who built all those PHP web forums twenty years ago with MD5 as the password hash, who knows what they cobbled together. Maybe an expert can chime in about what actually happens here?

Yes, for a sensible scheme this can't work.

Re: RustDesk now supports true unattended remote access on Wayland

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Post by dj0k3r »

inktype wrote: post #18

RustDesk still does not support encrypted connections when self hosting: https://github.com/rustdesk/rustdesk/issues/3714

Tailscale, or any encrypted mesh overlay is perfect for this. Infact I prefer it that way. Rustdesk can do what it does best at its core.

Re: RustDesk now supports true unattended remote access on Wayland

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Post by strbean »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #20
throwaway27448 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are both greatly overestimating the number of people who remember what xkcd is and their willingness to do what a webcomic prescribes uncritically. What you describe as "bespoke" is likely the normal way someone might use it: with their chosen format. For instance, I have multiple separator characters, multiple beginning and end characters, and numbers places at specific places, and arbitrary casing. That…

> I think you are both greatly overestimating the number of people who remember what xkcd is and their willingness to do what a webcomic prescribes uncritically XKCD's youtube videos get millions of views each. It is a very popular comic, and that particular password advice has spread beyond it. > What you describe as "bespoke" is likely the normal way someone might use it. And yet the issue in question is about some…

The user in question might have their own personal format that doesn't meet the RustDesk constraints. E.g. they may not use capitals, but use `word1$word2&word3@word4`.

Tayloring your format to the requirements of each site is a step towards defeating the utility of the system; now the user needs to remember some arbitrary hard-to-remember details for each password.

Although having a standard format for your passphrases across sites removes some of the advantages over just using the exact xkdc format (when one of your passwords is compromised and attackers can guess your custom format elsewhere now)...

Re: RustDesk now supports true unattended remote access on Wayland

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Post by pizza234 »

throwaway27448 wrote: post #10

What is rustdesk and how is it distinct from vnc? Edit: i appreciate the explanations; thank you.

VNC and RustDesk are both remote desktop solutions, however, Rustdesk is considerably more performant than the VNC family, because the latter primarily sends framebuffer updates, while the former can use modern video codecs and temporal compression to encode screen changes much more efficiently.

Re: RustDesk now supports true unattended remote access on Wayland

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Post by hparadiz »

ChocolateGod wrote: post #12

How does this work on a technical level? Does it framebuffer grab the current session and inject input events?

Yea I need to know this before I even consider something like this. I'm guessing it's a daemon that runs as root in the background.

Re: RustDesk now supports true unattended remote access on Wayland

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Post by aspbee555 »

RustDesk works so much better and easier than vnc and other vendored solutions. No need to open ports, no need for vpn, it just works, no account BS, no vendor lock in BS.

I have used RustDesk for years, also run my own lookup/relay server so I do not need to rely on the public lookup server

While everything else gets enshitified RustDesk just keeps getting better

Re: RustDesk now supports true unattended remote access on Wayland

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Post by wartywhoa23 »

aspbee555 wrote: post #26

RustDesk works so much better and easier than vnc and other vendored solutions. No need to open ports, no need for vpn, it just works, no account BS, no vendor lock in BS. I have used RustDesk for years, also run my own lookup/relay server so I do not need to rely on the public lookup server While everything else gets enshitified RustDesk just keeps getting better

Definitely a lifesaver for tech support!

And the fact it's self-hosted is priceless.

Re: RustDesk now supports true unattended remote access on Wayland

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Post by wooben »

inktype wrote: post #18

RustDesk still does not support encrypted connections when self hosting: https://github.com/rustdesk/rustdesk/issues/3714

Your statement is not entirely accurate. This only applies when using Direct IP Access on local networks, which is off by default. Their justification and invitation to PRs is the final comment [1] on the issue you linked. Why are you leaving this information out of your comment?

1 - https://github.com/rustdesk/rustdesk/issues/3714#issuecommen...

Re: RustDesk now supports true unattended remote access on Wayland

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Post by throwaway27448 »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #20
throwaway27448 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are both greatly overestimating the number of people who remember what xkcd is and their willingness to do what a webcomic prescribes uncritically. What you describe as "bespoke" is likely the normal way someone might use it: with their chosen format. For instance, I have multiple separator characters, multiple beginning and end characters, and numbers places at specific places, and arbitrary casing. That…

> I think you are both greatly overestimating the number of people who remember what xkcd is and their willingness to do what a webcomic prescribes uncritically XKCD's youtube videos get millions of views each. It is a very popular comic, and that particular password advice has spread beyond it. > What you describe as "bespoke" is likely the normal way someone might use it. And yet the issue in question is about some…

> And yet the issue in question is about someone who refuses to adapt it.

Does this person exist?

Re: RustDesk now supports true unattended remote access on Wayland

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Post by throwaway27448 »

strbean wrote: post #23
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think you are both greatly overestimating the number of people who remember what xkcd is and their willingness to do what a webcomic prescribes uncritically XKCD's youtube videos get millions of views each. It is a very popular comic, and that particular password advice has spread beyond it. > What you describe as "bespoke" is likely the normal way someone might use it. And yet the issue in question is about some…

The user in question might have their own personal format that doesn't meet the RustDesk constraints. E.g. they may not use capitals, but use `word1$word2&word3@word4`. Tayloring your format to the requirements of each site is a step towards defeating the utility of the system; now the user needs to remember some arbitrary hard-to-remember details for each password. Although having a standard format for your passphra…

This is a non-issue with a password manager
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