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Re: Grok Bot

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Post by thenbrent »

nozzlegear wrote: post #165
rsalus wrote: post #148

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probably because it actually works

What prevented openclaw from working, and what does grok bot do differently that makes it succeed where openclaw fails?

It was the software updates that prevented OpenClaw working for me. OpenClaw broke every update for a month, so I gave up and moved to Hermes.

Right now Grok Bot looks a lot easier to get started and maintain with a simpler UI (arguably better), but OpenClaw and Hermes give you more configurability and choice.

Grok Bot is really built on a different paradigm to OpenClaw/Hermes so hard to say it succeeds where those two fail, because fundamentally, one offers the convenience of SaaS, while the others offer the freedom and ownership of open source.

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by thenbrent »

o_____________o wrote: post #133
jjcm wrote: post #23

I've been using it for the last month or so. IMO in the same way we went from tab complete -> prompts -> agents, this feels like a next step on that evolution. I highly suspect others will be following suit. I was surprised with how much it felt natural to interact with agents in this way. Biggest advantage is each one owns its own routines, context, and domain, and they can communicate between each other. Similar to…

> I highly suspect others will be following suit. There is https://github.com/block/buzz https://buzz.xyz/ though currently much worse

Yeah Buzz is rough still, but something valuable it offers that Grok Bot doesn't is human-to-human communication.

It seems like Grok Bot is just a personal agent swarm. Which is useful to be sure, but it was surprising to me that's all it offers because it does so in a group chat app. I just assumed it was like Buzz at first, allowing you to invite other humans to work with the bots.

Bot-to-bot only group chat is useful, but I also really love Buzz's vision for team collaboration with many humans and many bots working in the same chat interface.

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by swordsith »

diseasedyak wrote: post #323

I don't understand how they get around bot blockers and captcha. I use Hermes locally and you can't get around any of that, even using your own credentials.

The devil is in the useragent and other request metadata

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by csomar »

theshrike79 wrote: post #301
csomar wrote: post #246

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Do you have even an example of this (one should ask for measurable data openness) or are you just making stuff up? Everything around has/is becoming more closed and I have one example: Reddit. It is not impossible to read without an account (account-walled).

I have a friend who works in B2B eCommerce specifically with some projects in D2C and they're saying that SEO is mostly a dead end now. It's all about Answer Engine Optimization (AEO) or Generative Engine Optimization (GEO). So if someone is looking for a 18V cordless drill for drilling into concrete, they'll most likely ask an agent. If your site has bad AEO/GEO, the product pages are either impossible to read by an…

I don't know which part of the world you are in, but in the one I am in, commerce websites are hostile to proper SEO and even crawlers. (ie: Shoppy and Lazada, there is literally a market to buy their and it's very expensive for search).

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by brabel »

legacynl wrote: post #298
brabel wrote: post #285

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It’s so incredible to me that now we have a chat interface we can ask about anything in any language and get really great answers, something literally considered science fiction a few years ago, and people still act like that is no big deal at all. No value in something like that! Don’t tell me it’s inaccurate, I strongly believe it’s way more accurate than if you could ask an expert in each topic , which of course y…

> I strongly believe it’s way more accurate than if you could ask an expert in each topic You can believe anything you want. I can also believe that the only thing that has gone up in the last 30 years is billionaires' worth, and amount of idiots saying things they don't know anything about. I strongly believe this. Don't tell me it's inaccurate.

At least you acknowledge you believe in absurdities. My belief is not absurd , it’s what I have seen myself in the last year or so.

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by brabel »

slg wrote: post #329
brabel wrote: post #285

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It’s so incredible to me that now we have a chat interface we can ask about anything in any language and get really great answers, something literally considered science fiction a few years ago, and people still act like that is no big deal at all. No value in something like that! Don’t tell me it’s inaccurate, I strongly believe it’s way more accurate than if you could ask an expert in each topic , which of course y…

>It’s so incredible to me that now we have a chat interface we can ask about anything in any language and get really great answers, something literally considered science fiction a few years ago, and people still act like that is no big deal at all. Because the importance of this is all about perspective. It wasn't like these systems created this information out of thin air. They were trained on something. That means…

> You just needed the know-how to find that information and synthesize the answers yourself.

So easy , right?? No one needs a machine that can do that automatically over huge amounts of data and that can clearly communicate results in a way the user can clearly understand in their preferred language!

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by Gormo »

fny wrote: post #316
Gormo wrote: post #304

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> If your business is selling tokens, it'd be extremely lucrative for you if the whole society relies on tokens to perform basic operations. That's where we're heading to. I'm sure mainframe time-share providers in the '60s and '70s were salivating at the possibility of computers mediating most business tasks, too, completely unaware of the microcomputer revolution that was about to happen.

But we do live in this era, no? What is cloud compute other than a time share?

Someone in the early '80s could have also said "we do live in this era" in response to someone pointing at an Apple II or original IBM PC and seeing it as something that would ultimately upend the mainframe market entirely.

In fact, we're already further along than that in terms of local AI. I'm currently able to get usable results at 8-10 tokens/sec using open-weight models on my laptop's integrated GPU, running on battery power. A $4,000 DGX Spark (less than what an IBM PC cost at launch in inflation-adjusted dollars) can get 3-5 times the inferencing performance with models 3-5x larger.

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by Gormo »

ljf wrote: post #310
Gormo wrote: post #304

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> If your business is selling tokens, it'd be extremely lucrative for you if the whole society relies on tokens to perform basic operations. That's where we're heading to. I'm sure mainframe time-share providers in the '60s and '70s were salivating at the possibility of computers mediating most business tasks, too, completely unaware of the microcomputer revolution that was about to happen.

Very much this - we are firmly at the centralised stage - when I have truly local AI running on my devices, my cost will be the energy they use - if I use open source models. I follow a guy on instagram who is doing this today, with old mobile phones and Raspberry Pi - for now I'll stick to my free Perplexity account, but looking forward to being self-sufficient one day.

> but looking forward to being self-sufficient one day.

I don't know how much experimentation you're doing with local AI, but that day may be sooner than you think. The ecosystem is evolving extremely rapidly.

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by ljf »

Gormo wrote: post #348
ljf wrote: post #310

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Very much this - we are firmly at the centralised stage - when I have truly local AI running on my devices, my cost will be the energy they use - if I use open source models. I follow a guy on instagram who is doing this today, with old mobile phones and Raspberry Pi - for now I'll stick to my free Perplexity account, but looking forward to being self-sufficient one day.

> but looking forward to being self-sufficient one day. I don't know how much experimentation you're doing with local AI, but that day may be sooner than you think. The ecosystem is evolving extremely rapidly.

I'm only on the edges to be honest and watching others - I'm not as technical as I once was, and I don't have the time I'd like to invest in this right now - too many competing hobbies.

Looking forward to the day this becomes very very easy for the likes of me.

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