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England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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RFK has publicly come out and encouraged parents to get vaccinated for measles. I don't know why you are spreading disinformation. https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/article/rfk-jr-says-pare...

Oh great he's doing it now after causing fear and doubt about them for decades, getting many people killed, in Samoa for example.

Most of his criticisms have been about the timing of certain vaccines administrations.

He's not anti vax. If nobody can challenge science, then it's not science.

Vaccines continues to help us, but that doesn't mean they are perfect and don't cause side effects on certain individuals. Hopefuly the future brings us highly personalized medicine instead of a 1 size fits all.

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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In the US it's entirely possible to do that as well. I've never been forced to see a doctor outside of getting a form signed before grad school.

Interesting, my insurers, through my employers, have always required a annual physical

USA, I havnt had a physical in ten years. I would be shocked if someone asked for it in a professional setting.

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Would you say that the government telling those people that they should be afraid of vaccines will help or hurt in this case?

I don't think people base their beliefs purely based on what the administration says the whole rollout and lockdowns, Fauci, etc. were a perfect storm to cause skepticism towards vaccines

I don't think it was the roll-out or anything along those lines, so much as the lying. Saying people won't get sick or won't catch COVID if they get the vaccines [1] was just false and very myopic. Obviously the intent was to try to get people to take the shots, but they completely destroyed trust in the process. Broader skepticism predictably follows from there.

[1] - https://xcancel.com/ITGuy1959/status/1581034815700488192

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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The pivotal paper that tried to link vaccines to autism came out of the UK and was published in The Lancet. Assuming that the US was the root of the current surge of anti-vax idealism is not supported by the facts.

Yeah, but the facts don't support the narrative that's being pushed here, which is "America bad".

The UK banned him from practicing because of it, citing "serious professional misconduct". He moved to the US.

America made one of his adherents the Secretary of Health and Human Services.

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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I mean this is liberal/left heavy, it's to be expected, you can't just rummage in and expect people to be like hm good points you're right! when most of the audience is against you it's expected if you could delve into what supports your arguments that'd help more than "trust me instead" I personally am skeptical of many things, including pharma, but I'm not going to claim that vaccines don't work when historically t…

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So I'm not an expert, but I did take immunology last semester... You're definitely right that we'd benefit from more study of the long term downstream effects of adjuvants. When you put the immune system on high alert, it sometimes remembers the wrong thing from the experience and continues to target it later.

But you've got to weigh those risks against the risk of dragging our feet on rolling out new vaccines. It's likely that many autoimmune diseases are caused by pathogens which are either undiscovered, or which are known, but whose link to the autoimmune disease is undiscovered. This is because there is evolutionary pressure encouraging pathogens to resemble self-antigens. If a pathogen has markers that cause it to resemble the human liver, the human adaptive immune system won't typically attack it because it wants to avoid attacking its own liver. So the pathogen is safe. This is called molecular mimicry. But the mimicry isn't perfect, so sometimes the immune system does become sensitized to the pathogen, attacks it, clears it, and starts slowly attacking the liver (or whichever tissue bears the same epitope as the mimic). It shows up years later as an autoimmune disease, but the data just isn't there to isolate its cause to that pathogen.

So the best strategy, if we can pull it off, is to vaccinate against the original pathogen (or prevent it via other means... clean food and water, etc), but to target epitopes which do not resemble any human tissues, and with adjuvants that do not sensitize the immune system against any human tissues.

As for how long adjuvants stay in the body, it's definitely worth studying more, but their whole function is to sound the alarm, so I'd expect that they're cleared rather quickly. Anything that fails to do that is by definition not an adjuvant. But assuming that an inappropriate response was triggered in the first place, you'd see the same effects whether or not the adjuvant was still around: If the initial exposure has triggered clonal replication of whichever B and T cells attack the antigen, self or otherwise, they'll stick around in your lymph nodes for years and years, and they'll re-up their numbers with each subsequent exposure.

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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A major campaign by RFK's replacement could absolutely make a significant difference stopping the spread of measles. That's the whole point of the (proven extremely effective!) vaccine.

Do you believe this? I think it might help a little, but so we're on the same page RFK has only been in charge for 2 years. Why wasn't the previous secretary of health doing this? The measles outbreaks may be relatively new but we've had the vaccination data to see it coming for over a decade. My personal belief is that there a lot of people who believe stupid things out there (and it's all only amplified by the news…

Inaction (and really, let's be clear - making it worse) is RFK's choice.

We managed to cut the smoking rate pretty dramatically, including in about half over the last decade. Public policy is not ineffective, we just need competent people to wield it.

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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The title shows a lack of understanding. BBC has become really low quality.

There is a lack of understanding, but it's coming from you not the BBC.

There is a difference between elimination and eradication.

As usual you fail to understand nuance.

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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There are vaccines for Hep A and Hep B. None for Hep C yet. Nor Hep V for the True Blood fans. Twinrix is the name of a combined Hep A & B vaccine (2 doses) - your health insurance most likely pays for it.

Hep A outbreaks are relatively frequent at restaurants (in my state).

Every state in the US has an immunization registry (they're all hosted by WebIZ) so they all look the same and produce the same sort of document. Checking states I've lived in, some of the records go back to 2008. My insurance pays for all vaccines except for "travel vaccines".

Shopping list:

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/vaccin...

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Anti-vaxxing goes back literally centuries, but the internet definitely made it a THING.

I would blame the "social" media, on the old internet they had barely any visibility. Now that we have the blame let's talk about the punishment.

> I would blame the "social" media, on the old internet they had barely any visibility.

They managed to get plenty of visibility long before computers.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leicestershire-50713991

> There followed a 100-year battle between the authorities and an often sceptical, sometimes aggressive, public. In Britain, a succession of laws made vaccinations free, then compulsory - backed by fines and even imprisonment. While riots flared in some towns, there was also more restrained opposition in the form of anti-vaccination leagues. For an increasingly literate population, pamphlets were produced with titles like "Vaccination: its fallacies and evils", "Vaccination, a Curse" and the suitably Gothic "Horrors of Vaccination".

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