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England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by kube-system »

MoltenMan wrote: post #119
kube-system wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He is amplifying the issue, but you're right, Trump is a symptom of the underlying problem. The problem is that internet gave these idiots a platform to mislead people. Back in the early 90s this wasn't much of a problem. Childhood vaccine requirements weren't some hot-button topic then. Most people would just get them when faced with the requirement. Most opposition was isolated to people who were otherwise contrari…

Completely agree! I will add though: this is a symptom of a problem that started 10-20 years ago. There's a lot of lag time between parents not giving their babies vaccines and outbreaks actually happening. You can see ages here.( https://www.cdc.gov/measles/data-research/index.html ) 5 and under are only 20% of cases.

> this is a symptom of a problem that started 10-20 years ago.

... and that's right when social media gained majority adoption among US adults.

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by Aurornis »

simonw wrote: post #124
Aurornis wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strangely, anti-vax sentiment is surging in a lot of countries. Canada has higher rates of vaccine rejection than the United States in some categories, as one example. It’s a strange global phenomenon and I don’t think there is one single root cause. MAGA/MAHA definitely jumped on to the anti-vax train as it became popular, but many forget that Trump presided over the rushing of the COVID vaccine into availability an…

Given the amount of cultural influence the USA has and the universal nature of the internet it seems likely to me that global anti-vax sentiment could have started with the USA.

The pivotal paper that tried to link vaccines to autism came out of the UK and was published in The Lancet.

Assuming that the US was the root of the current surge of anti-vax idealism is not supported by the facts.

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by verelo »

MoltenMan wrote: post #117
verelo wrote: post #113

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"Evidence" requires citations.

US: https://www.cdc.gov/measles/data-research/index.html Canada: https://health-infobase.canada.ca/measles-rubella/archive/20... They have 10% our population and had twice the cases last year (admittedly, we're starting to catch up). But the truth is that there are huge lag times when it comes to measles / antivax. This is a symptom of a problem that started 10-20 years ago.

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Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by MoltenMan »

dofm wrote: post #92
MoltenMan wrote: post #88

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I'm not a trump fan, but the antivax train has nothing to do with him. (Evidence: Canada is doing even worse then us when it comes to measles). If we want to fix this problem (we do), the first step is to recognize the actual problem, not to play the blame game on whichever politician you currently don't like!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/aug/10/trump-vaccin... "The order recommends that all shots be given at separate medical visits, a frequent point Trump has made despite the safety, ease and lower costs of giving vaccines together." '“Together, there could be a possibility they’re quite lethal,” Trump said of the MMR vaccine at the signing of the order on Monday.' 'Asked if he had evidence that the combined M…

See my other responses. Obviously this is bad. But the current measles outbreak is a symptom of a problem that's been happening over the last 1 or 2 decades. It literally CANNOT be caused by this, neither in the US or Canada.

It's still not too late for anyone who is unvaccinated to get the vaccine! Hopefully the next administration undoes this change, but the really important part is managing to shrink the anti-vax movement (which, if you look at the data in my other comments, you can see has been a problem since before Trump).

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by anonymars »

pacija wrote: post #129
Aurornis wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strangely, anti-vax sentiment is surging in a lot of countries. Canada has higher rates of vaccine rejection than the United States in some categories, as one example. It’s a strange global phenomenon and I don’t think there is one single root cause. MAGA/MAHA definitely jumped on to the anti-vax train as it became popular, but many forget that Trump presided over the rushing of the COVID vaccine into availability an…

Contemporary pharmaceutical companies, as well as contemporary government and private health institutions are my enemy. I would rather die than live using their products and services. When more ethical entities take over their business I will gladly start using them once again, as I did back in the day before they turned evil.

When did that particular switch flip?

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by anonymars »

Aurornis wrote: post #132
simonw wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the amount of cultural influence the USA has and the universal nature of the internet it seems likely to me that global anti-vax sentiment could have started with the USA.

The pivotal paper that tried to link vaccines to autism came out of the UK and was published in The Lancet. Assuming that the US was the root of the current surge of anti-vax idealism is not supported by the facts.

In fact, you can bet that other states deliberately stirred the pot

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by arethuza »

walthamstow wrote: post #76
Blazara wrote: post #74

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England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are constituent countries of the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom is also a country. You can disagree, but you're disagreeing with the government and the international community.

Not a problem, I disagree with the government all the time. Scotland has less sovereignty than US states, it's not a country.

The UK seems fairly relaxed about constituent parts leaving (Scotland was given a referendum, NI has option to leave if they want) - which I don't believe applies to US states?

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by MoltenMan »

geophile wrote: post #110
MoltenMan wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a trump fan, but the antivax train has nothing to do with him. (Evidence: Canada is doing even worse then us when it comes to measles). If we want to fix this problem (we do), the first step is to recognize the actual problem, not to play the blame game on whichever politician you currently don't like!

It has a lot to do with him. He doesn't actually have an opinion on any policy issue. For various political reasons, Trump decided to let RFK dictate public health policy according to his extremely delusional ideas. Yes, there was an antivax movement in this country for many years, just as there has been misogyny, racism, and transphobia. Trump has normalized and supercharged all of these moronic and dangerous ideas.…

See my other comments; it is not possible for RFK to have had any effect on this outbreak. If everyone getting measles was 2 or under, it could be possible; they aren't.

The reason I bring up Canada is as counterevidence; if it was Trump or RFK'S fault, Canada should be doing just fine. They had twice the cases last year in 1/10 the population. The truth is this is a problem with people believing stupid things, and it's going to take a lot more than Trump going out of office to fix.

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by [deleted] »

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #123
MoltenMan wrote: post #115

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The reason there are measles cases is because a decent percentage of people aren't getting vaccinated anymore. If all of the cases were 2 year olds or younger (when RFK was put in charge) then possibly. But not only are they older ( https://www.cdc.gov/measles/data-research/index.html ), this is also happening in Canada. I don't see how it could possibly be RFK's fault.

While It’s fair to point out that RFK is hopping on a train that’s already got momentum, your first comment reads as if it’s not caused by falling vaccination rates (your second comment clarified further). Also why not blame politicians doing the wrong thing?

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