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Microsoft Edge is about to lock out older ad blockers, just like Chrome did

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Re: Microsoft Edge is about to lock out older ad blockers, just like Chrome did

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Post by joquarky »

mancerayder wrote: post #141

Please don't bite me -- question for this group, where "Firefox" is going back and forth as a topic. Isn't Brave okay? There's something toxic about Brave I'm not getting; I can tell you it's incredibly effective as a tool to block ads, scripts, and tracking. What am I missing? It's tracking me? The project owners are mean? There's something nefarious in the codebase? I have firefox and Brave, and both are 'OK', and…

The founder invented JavaScript, which is a subject that triggers knee-jerk reactions in people who approach problem solving emotionally.

Re: Microsoft Edge is about to lock out older ad blockers, just like Chrome did

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Post by Marsymars »

massysett wrote: post #148
Marsymars wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem I run into is e.g. if I need to replace the the steering wheel cruise control buttons in my car, a random youtuber doing that is the only reasonable option getting instructions on that, which isn't something a youtube subscription scales to.

So random youtuber gave you something of value - something that saved you hundreds of dollars from not having to get a professional repair - yet you have something against random YouTuber getting paid?

If I could give the youtuber cash in exchange for the video, I'd have no problem with that.

Watching ads simply isn't something I'm willing to consider. Like if the transaction was "have someone spit in your face and in exchange you get a how-to video and they get paid based on the amount of spit you get in your mouth", I'd feel similarly about that business model.

Re: Microsoft Edge is about to lock out older ad blockers, just like Chrome did

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Post by jraph »

joquarky wrote: post #151
mancerayder wrote: post #141

Please don't bite me -- question for this group, where "Firefox" is going back and forth as a topic. Isn't Brave okay? There's something toxic about Brave I'm not getting; I can tell you it's incredibly effective as a tool to block ads, scripts, and tracking. What am I missing? It's tracking me? The project owners are mean? There's something nefarious in the codebase? I have firefox and Brave, and both are 'OK', and…

The founder invented JavaScript, which is a subject that triggers knee-jerk reactions in people who approach problem solving emotionally.

This is not at all what is usually held against him.

Re: Microsoft Edge is about to lock out older ad blockers, just like Chrome did

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Post by lelanthran »

mancerayder wrote: post #141

Please don't bite me -- question for this group, where "Firefox" is going back and forth as a topic. Isn't Brave okay? There's something toxic about Brave I'm not getting; I can tell you it's incredibly effective as a tool to block ads, scripts, and tracking. What am I missing? It's tracking me? The project owners are mean? There's something nefarious in the codebase? I have firefox and Brave, and both are 'OK', and…

> Isn't Brave okay?

Sure it is. I use both Brave and FF (FF more than Brave, TBH).

Brave's builtin adblocker is pretty great as well.

Re: Microsoft Edge is about to lock out older ad blockers, just like Chrome did

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Post by lelanthran »

armadyl wrote: post #71
Larrikin wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only reason anyone knows about the switch between manifest 2 and 3 is that the only meaningful difference is the crippled ad blocking ability. Nobody knows any other difference unless they are an extension developers or worked on making the Internet a worse place.

I mean you’re right about the awareness of it due to ad blocking but > Nobody knows any other difference unless they are an extension developers or worked on making the Internet a worse place. MV3 comes with a ton of security improvements over MV2, a side effect is the perceived weakening of ad blocking extensions but the benefits outweigh the cons. MV2 effectively allowed a permanently open RCE pathway. The browser…

> The browser itself should ideally be handling ad blocking

"The fox himself should ideally be guarding the henhouse"...

I mean, you do realise that google has a conflict of interest when it comes to blocking ads, right?

Re: Microsoft Edge is about to lock out older ad blockers, just like Chrome did

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Post by lelanthran »

NeutralWanted wrote: post #36
cmeacham98 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some ads (e.g. I know YT ads used to be this way, haven't looked recently) can't be blocked at the network level because they are served from the same domain/servers as the content.

Sure, but have YT Premium for the family. Don't know how anyone can use YT without it. And it blocks 90% of ads, the rest are tolerable / go mostly unnoticed.

> Don't know how anyone can use YT without it.

It's easy, we use FF :-)

Re: Microsoft Edge is about to lock out older ad blockers, just like Chrome did

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Post by zem »

something I've really been wondering about is is mv2 really a serious security loophole? if I think about it, browser extensions really do have a scary amount of access to sensitive webpages, so google's rationale for restricting the attack surface is at least plausible. and as the maintainers of the overwhelmingly dominant browser, they can't build ad blocking into the core engine, not because google is an ad company, but simply because that level of putting their thumb on the scales would lead to a huge backlash.

Re: Microsoft Edge is about to lock out older ad blockers, just like Chrome did

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Post by KronisLV »

supermatou wrote: post #146
KronisLV wrote: post #107

For what it's worth, I daily drive Edge on my Windows machine and it's an okay browser, haven't had a reason to install Chrome in ages (though did run Firefox for a while due to liking their dev tools better, it's still on my MacBook cause I like the UI more than Safari). Even when my Intel Arc B580 has its drivers freeze the browser, I can just kill the GPU rendering process and it picks back up with no data loss, w…

>I can just kill the GPU rendering process >and it picks back up with no data loss, >whereas with Firefox I had to restart the whole thing about:processes > kill the GPU process without having to restart Firefox.

Thanks!

I will try it out the next time when I jump back to Firefox!

Not sure why it doesn't show up under Task Manager as clearly as Edge's does.

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