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Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by paxys »

rain_iwakura wrote: post #123
paxys wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is $5/day irrelevant? In the $150/mo range you can get effectively unlimited usage of GPT 5.6 Sol (Pro plan). Why use a much weaker model for the same price?

not at all true. if you're truly using it across the board for smaller things (translation of pages, filtering of every individual tweet based on its relevance to you etc), the costs ramp up super quickly. i used for work where i did less and it quickly reaches thousands if you're not careful. i can already see what some will say: skill issue et cetera - whatever.

$100-200/mo is the subscription price. You aren’t going to go over. And you can select smaller models as well. Not everything has to be done by the most expensive one.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by nodja »

NoboruWataya wrote: post #138

My Claude account was banned the other day. The only possible cause I can think of is that I tried to authenticate from the AI assistant in a JetBrains IDE and, not thinking, entered the details for my regular subscription rather than an API account. As soon as it became apparent that I needed an API account rather than a subscription, I just closed out of the tab. Nevertheless, about 20 minutes later I got an email…

I'm the same way, I have a very low/sporadic usage of any subscription I've tried. I now just use openrouter with DS4 pro/flash. It also gets rid of usage anxiety where I would try to justify the $20/month by forcing myself to use the tokens for projects as the weekly limit deadline neared.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by VulgarExigency »

petesergeant wrote: post #146
LorenDB wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but even the cheapest providers on OpenRouter are charging at least 10x what DeepSeek does for cached input tokens, which is where DeepSeek gets most of the cheapness.

(nevermind, I was reading DeepInfra as Deepseek. My bad)

You are missing a 0 to the left of the 2 on Deepseek's number

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by ignoramous »

NoboruWataya wrote: post #138

My Claude account was banned the other day. The only possible cause I can think of is that I tried to authenticate from the AI assistant in a JetBrains IDE and, not thinking, entered the details for my regular subscription rather than an API account. As soon as it became apparent that I needed an API account rather than a subscription, I just closed out of the tab. Nevertheless, about 20 minutes later I got an email…

> My initial thought was to sign up for ChatGPT, but I had $20 in OpenRouter so I've been trying out DeepSeek V4 Pro with Pi for the last few days and I gotta say, it's good enough for my use case

If you prefer subscriptions, OpenCode Go ($10/mo), Cline Pass ($10/mo), Atlas Code ($20/mo), and CommandCode ($1/mo) serve some of the best open weights with generous limits. OpenCode Go currently offers $120 for $10 on DeepSeek Flash v4 (if you're okay with data retention).

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by guilamu »

andai wrote: post #148

The recently announced they're raising their prices 10x right? Which would put them... exactly where everyone else is on this graph. Edit: I seem to have misunderstood the news. I thought the magical cache read pricing was going away (0.002) and they were going to be on par with everyone else (0.02). But I have no idea. Edit 2: Apparently, neither do they! >We plan to raise the overall pricing for DeepSeek API servic…

Where does this "10x" comes from?

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by ljosifov »

meetingthrower wrote: post #82
LaurensBER wrote: post #9

I've been using it extensively since the release and the best summary I can give is that it's good enough to use it for (almost) everything and cheap enough that the cost are irrelevant. I'm running it in Oh My Pi with a second instance running as "advisor" and even with 5-6 active sessions (effectively 12 streams) I'm struggling to spend more than 5 bucks per day. OpenCode Go even has double limits temporarily so fo…

What's the best harness to use with it?

omp - current top, after using codex claude opencode pi that I still use too

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by brynnbee »

paxys wrote: post #118
LaurensBER wrote: post #9

I've been using it extensively since the release and the best summary I can give is that it's good enough to use it for (almost) everything and cheap enough that the cost are irrelevant. I'm running it in Oh My Pi with a second instance running as "advisor" and even with 5-6 active sessions (effectively 12 streams) I'm struggling to spend more than 5 bucks per day. OpenCode Go even has double limits temporarily so fo…

How is $5/day irrelevant? In the $150/mo range you can get effectively unlimited usage of GPT 5.6 Sol (Pro plan). Why use a much weaker model for the same price?

Others have said similar but I disagree, I'm spending $200/m and I can easily burn through my weekly quota with a few overnight goals using 5.6 medium.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by tcp_handshaker »

LaurensBER wrote: post #9

I've been using it extensively since the release and the best summary I can give is that it's good enough to use it for (almost) everything and cheap enough that the cost are irrelevant. I'm running it in Oh My Pi with a second instance running as "advisor" and even with 5-6 active sessions (effectively 12 streams) I'm struggling to spend more than 5 bucks per day. OpenCode Go even has double limits temporarily so fo…

And software keeps getting worst.

The analogy I like is that building software is running a Michelin restaurant. The moment you scale, the chef is just writing cooking books and is absent, and you move into franchising, you will be amazed at the bottom line revenue scaling, while customers will be progressively appalled with the food...

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by r14c »

_s_a_m_ wrote: post #93
LaurensBER wrote: post #9

I've been using it extensively since the release and the best summary I can give is that it's good enough to use it for (almost) everything and cheap enough that the cost are irrelevant. I'm running it in Oh My Pi with a second instance running as "advisor" and even with 5-6 active sessions (effectively 12 streams) I'm struggling to spend more than 5 bucks per day. OpenCode Go even has double limits temporarily so fo…

These posts have to be Chinese bots, these models are all trash. Used it via OpenCode for an hour, cost me one hour of my life. It is for anything complete trash.

I've gotten a lot of good work done with deepseek models. Like with any generic harness there's some tuning that has to happen. I used open code for a while, but I've landed on pi.dev as my go to since its easier to tune and has better deepseek integration. iirc open code is quite bad at utilizing cache and doesn't have a lot of ways to specifically tune the harness for a particular model.
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