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Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by jmathai »

paxys wrote: post #118
LaurensBER wrote: post #9

I've been using it extensively since the release and the best summary I can give is that it's good enough to use it for (almost) everything and cheap enough that the cost are irrelevant. I'm running it in Oh My Pi with a second instance running as "advisor" and even with 5-6 active sessions (effectively 12 streams) I'm struggling to spend more than 5 bucks per day. OpenCode Go even has double limits temporarily so fo…

How is $5/day irrelevant? In the $150/mo range you can get effectively unlimited usage of GPT 5.6 Sol (Pro plan). Why use a much weaker model for the same price?

The cost per token is super low. If you're used to paying OpenAI or Anthropic API-based fees then the same workload on DeepSeek feels free.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by becquerel »

MarkLowenstein wrote: post #90
542458 wrote: post #4

Kimi K3 was an interesting model only a month ago, and now we're looking at the same performance for 1/20th of the price. Wild how fast this is advancing.

Real question: is there anybody that is both maintaining alpha-dev capability by keeping abreast of all these daily changes, while also reserving enough time to actually work? Seems like we've reached the event horizon of whether AI advances are worth paying attention to.

I think the play now is to just try out whatever the best new model is every time you see a headline that fundamentally reorganizes your conception of what's possible.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by jojohack »

LaurensBER wrote: post #9

I've been using it extensively since the release and the best summary I can give is that it's good enough to use it for (almost) everything and cheap enough that the cost are irrelevant. I'm running it in Oh My Pi with a second instance running as "advisor" and even with 5-6 active sessions (effectively 12 streams) I'm struggling to spend more than 5 bucks per day. OpenCode Go even has double limits temporarily so fo…

Running DeepSeek with Pi as well, any plugins you recommend running it with ( e.g. native browser for snapshots, etc. )

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by petesergeant »

LorenDB wrote: post #119
vb-8448 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? It's open weight, there are plenty providers on open router that are serving the latest v4 flash at 0.14/0.28 $.

Yes, but even the cheapest providers on OpenRouter are charging at least 10x what DeepSeek does for cached input tokens, which is where DeepSeek gets most of the cheapness.

(nevermind, I was reading DeepInfra as Deepseek. My bad)

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by petesergeant »

MarkLowenstein wrote: post #90
542458 wrote: post #4

Kimi K3 was an interesting model only a month ago, and now we're looking at the same performance for 1/20th of the price. Wild how fast this is advancing.

Real question: is there anybody that is both maintaining alpha-dev capability by keeping abreast of all these daily changes, while also reserving enough time to actually work? Seems like we've reached the event horizon of whether AI advances are worth paying attention to.

I don't think you need to be keeping abreast of them really, you just need to be using the best model you can get enough tokens from, which for many people is Fable 5 @ $200ish, ideally fanning out implementation to cheaper models

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by andai »

The recently announced they're raising their prices 10x right?

Which would put them... exactly where everyone else is on this graph.

Edit: I seem to have misunderstood the news. I thought the magical cache read pricing was going away (0.002) and they were going to be on par with everyone else (0.02). But I have no idea.

Edit 2: Apparently, neither do they!

>We plan to raise the overall pricing for DeepSeek API services in the near future, with a significant increase expected. Please plan your usage accordingly. The specific pricing plan will be subject to official notice.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by andai »

NoboruWataya wrote: post #138

My Claude account was banned the other day. The only possible cause I can think of is that I tried to authenticate from the AI assistant in a JetBrains IDE and, not thinking, entered the details for my regular subscription rather than an API account. As soon as it became apparent that I needed an API account rather than a subscription, I just closed out of the tab. Nevertheless, about 20 minutes later I got an email…

I've been asking about psyops and bioweapons and I'm still going strong. I did get a Sonnet session shut down the other day though which feels like some kind of achievement.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by ljosifov »

LaurensBER wrote: post #9

I've been using it extensively since the release and the best summary I can give is that it's good enough to use it for (almost) everything and cheap enough that the cost are irrelevant. I'm running it in Oh My Pi with a second instance running as "advisor" and even with 5-6 active sessions (effectively 12 streams) I'm struggling to spend more than 5 bucks per day. OpenCode Go even has double limits temporarily so fo…

Hear hear. IQ tokens to cheap to meter upon us. So many things changed since last week. Now I've had Prime agent session grinding into its 20-th hour still not giving up. Been using opencode-go since Go sub appeared. What made a difference was deepseek-v4-flash and mimo-v2.5 showing. Very similar middling models ~300b so light on the gpu. 1M context and hybrid archs - so one can actually make use of that 1M (don't grind to a halt like others). In OMP I have one the primary (default), the other one as /advisor looking over the shoulder and nagging. On opencode-go in credits counting they are the bottom-2 in cost, cheaper by 200-350 times than than the top-1. Last week with deepseek-v4-flash-0731 another jump - now it's closer to the top models then to the middle. Now I don't even need the /advisor probably. Still left it there it's sometime amusing the models back and forth. :-) DeepSeek offer /v1/responses api now with flash-0731, so setup Codex to use that too. I'm loving this :-)
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