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Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Kimi K3 was an interesting model only a month ago, and now we're looking at the same performance for 1/20th of the price. Wild how fast this is advancing.

Real question: is there anybody that is both maintaining alpha-dev capability by keeping abreast of all these daily changes, while also reserving enough time to actually work? Seems like we've reached the event horizon of whether AI advances are worth paying attention to.

Are you saying we've reached peak Bike shedding?

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

#112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(1) you used opencode (2) what provider did you use. openrouter is trash because they shit up the model serving. no max effort and horrific cache utilization, on the order of 50-75%, absolutely garbage. beware

What should we be running deepseek on besides opencode? I chose it because I heard good things. Also provider is directly through deepseek credits.

oh you used opencode go?

harness: omp.sh

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

#113
post #88

I've been using it extensively since the release and the best summary I can give is that it's good enough to use it for (almost) everything and cheap enough that the cost are irrelevant. I'm running it in Oh My Pi with a second instance running as "advisor" and even with 5-6 active sessions (effectively 12 streams) I'm struggling to spend more than 5 bucks per day. OpenCode Go even has double limits temporarily so fo…

> it's good enough to use it for (almost) everything which in your case is?

I've posted a few times about my project that's a collection of 30k-250k webapps that are served from a WebDAV server. The apps know how to write updated copies of themselves back to the server.

My family uses it. I have gallery apps (yearbooks for each year are a lot of fun!) of us on trips and just living, an outlining app that's a mesh of Workflowy and Org Mode (it's called Fluxtral), a markdown-backed app (it uses marked.min.js, and is called Dextral) that offers documents, logs, calendars, and kanban boards, all parsed from markdown. I have a List app for gear, trips, shopping, etc. that we all can contribute to. There are utilities (world clock, calendar) and games (an oracle for RPGs, a KenKen implementation), and apps (a diagram editor that exports to SVG, a web-launcher that uses pneumonics, a Scheme-based hacking environment, and a spreadsheet that does most of what you'd expect aside from Solver and Pivot tables).

I started these projects before AI, and made slow progress over the years, but the modern versions of all this stuff have been built with Deepseek V4 Flash. I've also used Gemini in the very early days, and Kimi K2.6 later on, but these days, since I can now host Deepseek v4 Flash 0731 in a 2-bit quant on my Strix Halo box (128GB, but only about 250GB/s of memory bandwidth, so 15t/s), I used Deepseek with omp for almost everything. It's a very capable model, and I'm amazed I can run it locally and get good results. It's really revolutionary for my (small) use cases.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

#114

DeepSeek has announced an upcoming "significant increase" in price, so this line may have to move to the right soon. https://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/pricing/

Why? It's open weight, there are plenty providers on open router that are serving the latest v4 flash at 0.14/0.28 $.

The most expensive defines the price. Others need to be just slightly cheaper.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

#115

DeepSeek has announced an upcoming "significant increase" in price, so this line may have to move to the right soon. https://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/pricing/

Why? It's open weight, there are plenty providers on open router that are serving the latest v4 flash at 0.14/0.28 $.

This would be more convincing if those providers had converged on a number that was not the exact pricing of DeepSeek themselves. Clearly DeepSeek is setting the price here and without them holding it down I expect increases.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

#116
post #88

I've been using it extensively since the release and the best summary I can give is that it's good enough to use it for (almost) everything and cheap enough that the cost are irrelevant. I'm running it in Oh My Pi with a second instance running as "advisor" and even with 5-6 active sessions (effectively 12 streams) I'm struggling to spend more than 5 bucks per day. OpenCode Go even has double limits temporarily so fo…

> it's good enough to use it for (almost) everything which in your case is?

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Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

#117

I've been using it extensively since the release and the best summary I can give is that it's good enough to use it for (almost) everything and cheap enough that the cost are irrelevant. I'm running it in Oh My Pi with a second instance running as "advisor" and even with 5-6 active sessions (effectively 12 streams) I'm struggling to spend more than 5 bucks per day. OpenCode Go even has double limits temporarily so fo…

> Auto generate tests on CI for every pull-requests! this seems like such a bad idea

Depends on the prompt I think. If it's just "Generate tests plz" then I agree, but if its

"If this PR adds any new endpoints, ensure that there are functional and integration tests. If there are not, please investigate the feasibility and appropriateness, and create functional tests using the guide found on our wiki for guidance https://www.ourdevwiki.site/how-to-make-functional-tests" then maybe it could add some value.

But that very much depends on the specific system. Some tests are obvious, some not so much.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

#118

I've been using it extensively since the release and the best summary I can give is that it's good enough to use it for (almost) everything and cheap enough that the cost are irrelevant. I'm running it in Oh My Pi with a second instance running as "advisor" and even with 5-6 active sessions (effectively 12 streams) I'm struggling to spend more than 5 bucks per day. OpenCode Go even has double limits temporarily so fo…

How is $5/day irrelevant? In the $150/mo range you can get effectively unlimited usage of GPT 5.6 Sol (Pro plan). Why use a much weaker model for the same price?

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

#119

DeepSeek has announced an upcoming "significant increase" in price, so this line may have to move to the right soon. https://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/pricing/

Why? It's open weight, there are plenty providers on open router that are serving the latest v4 flash at 0.14/0.28 $.

Yes, but even the cheapest providers on OpenRouter are charging at least 10x what DeepSeek does for cached input tokens, which is where DeepSeek gets most of the cheapness.
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