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Taste Is All That's Left

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Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Pangram says "100% AI-generated". I trust Pangram more than I trust this author's word.

Are you serious? Pangram is notorios for false positives!

All ML classifiers (and algorithms) have a non-zero false positive rate. Having an error rate is baked into every ML classifier and algorithm. And its always non-zero in practice. In fact, hitting every test in some sort of test suite is likely a sign of a less accurate classifier, not a more accurate one.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#532

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Understandable but why would you assume people will stop getting a taste for hacking just because LLMs exist? Why will they stop just because of that? Technology will make them lazy just because they can prompt an AI now? I think the human drive for excellence and tinkering cannot just be vanished just because LLMs exist. And I don't under the fat and out of shape part of the comment. Being in shape and being good at…

In my experience, using LLM's for generating code has definitely dulled my capacity to think about function hierarchies, composition and having a "picture" in my head of what will go where in the repository. Raw "leetcode" algorithm intuition and database modelling/SQL are still largely intact for me because I never trust LLMs for those and want to actually understand what I'm building. But it's scary to think how ea…

From your comment, it seems like the only skill that has eroded in you apparently is the fact that you don't understand the structure of a repo that was written by someone else? Was that a skill you had pre LLM that you could just touch a repo you didn't work on and magically knew where everything went?

Furthermore, if you can see it so transparently and have put a stop gap, why do you think the rest of the world or programmers will not? Why will they fall into the temptation that you can resist? Especially if we are talking about that specific subset of people that are already really good at coding and understand the pitfalls pretty well.

Maybe you can make the argument that someone who purely vibecodes never gets the skills of raw algorithm intuition/specific knowledge but in those cases, no skills get eroded because there were none to begin with.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#533

For those keeping track, this is now (at least) the third wholly or partially AI-generated article on the theme of "taste" as enduring source of human comparative advantage to hit the HN front page. Previously: Taste in the age of AI and LLMs - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47677241 You Had No Taste Before AI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45288551

The author has updated the bottom of the post to clarify that it was not AI-generated. https://notashelf.dev/posts/taste-is-all-thats-left#post-mor...

pangram says this is AI generated and has a very, very, VERY low rate of saying something is AI generated wrong.

https://www.pangram.com/history/0b397596-fa85-4869-bae3-2b1d...

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#534

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If you are waiting for someone else to make a good product for you with AI, you are missing out. The best AI products have userbase of one.

The best AI products have a userbase of one. The average AI product has a userbase of zero.

And it's perfectly fine.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#535

For those keeping track, this is now (at least) the third wholly or partially AI-generated article on the theme of "taste" as enduring source of human comparative advantage to hit the HN front page. Previously: Taste in the age of AI and LLMs - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47677241 You Had No Taste Before AI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45288551

This article is not AI generated. Everyone is asserting it is but the author is well known as a critic of these tools in his communities. Why would he lie and use it to write an article with his genuine views, edit it to assuage the feelings of HN commenters, and then double down? Speedrunning losing his credibility, or, his writing style got on some people's nerves?

I agree with your assessment. Read the article and did not come back thinking an LLM authored. I read more LLM content now than from humans and while there were fingerprints of LLM writing, it still read as institutionalized English. It seems like we are in a weird transition period where LLMs trained on proper English prose are now training humans to identify prose that is apparently not common enough to be labelled as human authored. So what are people looking for in writing? The mistakes, disjointed sentences, less em dashes?

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#536

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Pangram says "100% AI-generated". I trust Pangram more than I trust this author's word.

Pangram is a complete scam. There is no durable way to detect whether something was written with AI. I've had folks say they ran pangram on my writing and it was "100% AI". Except I don't use AI to write or edit anything I post publicly.

I'm sure you'd like $100 then to give the founder of pangram an essay they classify as AI that is in fact not ai.

Free money, right?

https://x.com/max_spero_/status/2085041200923394459

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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I have mixed feelings... I stumbled upon, read a post-mortem that looks even more AI-generated than the article. "That says something about my writing. It says nothing about who wrote it." - Two contradicting sentences, author's writing skills are part of the author as-a-whole "The short sentences, the reversals, the one-word lines" and then "I will write the next one plainer.". - even more? And... I wonder if this i…

> I'm sincerely sorry for publishing something that has allowed you to feel this way. What fresh hell is this? If this is human then I wish it was AI

Given the title I thought this was just ridiculous:

> I do not care about your taste.

But taste is all that we have left.

And then this:

> If this posts has offended you, then it tells more about you than it does about me.

So the author can't take any criticism.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#539
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I think they're trolling us. Their post-mortem is a very AI-sounding (and Pangram-triggering) claim that they're not using AI: This post reads off as AI slop. You said it, I see it. I’m sincerely sorry for publishing something that has allowed you to feel this way. If my word means anything to you, I would like to assure you that this post was not authored by a LLM. Nor was it storyboarded, reviewed, checked, etc. by…

> the one-word lines The funny thing is that there are no "one-word lines". This more or less cements the fact that it must be AI in my mind.

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Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#540

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I agree Pangram's UI is awful and often misleading. Their underlying classifier model is pretty accurate in my experience, though, at least in the sense that it has very few natural false positives. If you disagree, please send me some long-form verifiable false positives that were not explicitly written to trick Pangram. I love to learn.

I just sent you a long article which you could not have read in the time it took you to reply. I would suggest you start there and read that article, which outlines several cases where the author was able to create contrived false positives and negatives.

Contrived false positives and negatives could (and should!) always be possible. That doesn't tell us anything about the natural false positive and negative rates, and a lot of people who have actively tried to use voice instruction to get models to consistently fool the detector without iterating against it directly have failed.
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