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Taste Is All That's Left

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Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#501

On the topic of taste, I think of this quote in Susan Sontag's "Notes On 'Camp'" often: “For taste governs every free — as opposed to rote — human response. Nothing is more decisive. There is taste in people, visual taste, taste in emotion — and there is taste in acts, taste in morality. Intelligence, as well, is really a kind of taste: taste in ideas. (One of the facts to be reckoned with is that taste tends to deve…

"Reason is, and ought only to be the slave of the passion" David Hume I like this quote because it's so blunt. Hume isn't saying we should give in to hedonistic excess, but he isn't shirking the impression either because it deserves to be said strongly.

“The heart has its reasons which reason knows nothing of.” - Pascal

I like this quote because sooner or later, one discovers it for themselves

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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post #340

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> I'm sincerely sorry for publishing something that has allowed you to feel this way. What fresh hell is this? If this is human then I wish it was AI

> and this post will go down as my not-the-proudest, however, I take your criticism to heart—although not personally—and strive to improve. I just do not understand why people - even when actively denying LLM usage - use the fucking em dash. I don't care if it is the "right" thing to use there. The character has been associated with slop. Why do you keep using it without even just acknowledging that you did. Just use…

I guess around fourteen years ago—back when I was at high school—I picked up the legendary TeXbook. I was in love and totally beguiled by the great Knuth's Art of Computer Programming; how could it be so beautiful? how could it be so precise? and henceforth as I understood the he had developed that masterwork of TeX to make his book, I immediately went to read it. There, in page four he writes:

I guess around fourteen years ago—back when I was at high school—I picked up the legendary TeXbook. I was in love and totally beguiled by the great Knuth's Art of Computer Programming; how could it be so beautiful? how could it be so precise? and henceforth as I understood that he had developed that masterwork of TeX to make his book, I immediately went to read it. There, in page four he writes:

> Book printing differs significantly from ordinary typing with respect to

> dashes, hyphens, and minus signs. In good math books, these symbols are all

> different; in fact there usually are at least four different symbols:

>

> a hyphen (-);

> an en-dash (–);

> an em-dash (—);

> a minus sign (−).

>

> Hyphens are used for compound words like ‘daughter-in-law’ and ‘X-rated’. En-

> dashes are used for number ranges like ‘pages 13–34’, and also in contexts like

> ‘exercise 1.2.6–52’. Em-dashes are used for punctuation in sentences—they are

> what we often call simply dashes. And minus signs are used in formulas. A

> conscientious user of T E X will be careful to distinguish these four usages, and

> here is how to do it:

>

> for a hyphen, type a hyphen (-);

> for an en-dash, type two hyphens (--);

> for an em-dash, type three hyphens (---);

> for a minus sign, type a hyphen in mathematics mode ($-$).

So I kept using the beautiful em dash ever since; because that is how the greats do it.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#503
I agree with the conclusion of this, I think, but the consequences are more interresting. One of the biggest problems with this flood of apps and products is curation. For the things that "deserve to exist" how does anyone find them among the sea of slop? I don't think there's a good solution, at least one that exists today. Look at Steam, Netflix, Youtube, Amazon or really anything else. How do you find what's good? For me, most of the time, I just return to what I know. But that doesn't seem ... healthy?

I disagree that consuming content in a field is not enough to build taste. I'd argue it's actually better than creating, simply due to scale. 1:1 sure, creating something will give you more "taste" than consuming something. But it's not 1:1. Creating takes so long. And creating mixes design and implementation. When you're implementing, most of the time, you aren't building taste.

As far as creating quality things goes, and "the wall", doing it well becomes a practical problem. Writing code for example forces you to think deeply about what your building, what it does, and how it works. You can do that without writing code, you're just no longer forced to. It's not an intrinsic problem. It's just a nice side effect of coding that you lose, and need to figure out how to compensate for.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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post #468

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The author has updated the bottom of the post to clarify that it was not AI-generated. https://notashelf.dev/posts/taste-is-all-thats-left#post-mor...

I think they're trolling us. Their post-mortem is a very AI-sounding (and Pangram-triggering) claim that they're not using AI: This post reads off as AI slop. You said it, I see it. I’m sincerely sorry for publishing something that has allowed you to feel this way. If my word means anything to you, I would like to assure you that this post was not authored by a LLM. Nor was it storyboarded, reviewed, checked, etc. by…

Writing like AI on purpose, writing like AI accidentally, or just blatantly lying. I find all three options funny.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#505

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"And when the floor goes, the thing that decides what is worth keeping is no longer the cost of making it." I'm 100% confident that a human did not write this sentence unless they were deliberately trying to sound like an LLM. Just look at it! You don't need Pangram. There's a classifier model between your ears that knows how humans write.

Running Llama 3 between your ears? Don't you and all the people in this thread claiming AI slop know that AI was trained on human writing ?

>Don't you and all the people in this thread claiming AI slop know that AI was trained on human writing?

Do you think this implies that it is impossible to distinguish LLM-generated text from human text? I don't think that follows at all.

>Running Llama 3 between your ears?

I'm always happy for a chance to improve my classifier! Can you provide some long-form writing from before 2024 that uses this style?

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Pangram is a complete scam. There is no durable way to detect whether something was written with AI. I've had folks say they ran pangram on my writing and it was "100% AI". Except I don't use AI to write or edit anything I post publicly.

Can you give some examples of your writing that trigger "100% AI" on pangram? I'm very interested in studying pangram's false positives. Especially if it's something published before ~2024

Not my article, but this is quite convincing of the brittle nature of these tools.

https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/i-wouldnt-say-pangram-i...

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#507

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Can you give some examples of your writing that trigger "100% AI" on pangram? I'm very interested in studying pangram's false positives. Especially if it's something published before ~2024

Not my article, but this is quite convincing of the brittle nature of these tools. https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/i-wouldnt-say-pangram-i...

I agree Pangram's UI is awful and often misleading. Their underlying classifier model is pretty accurate in my experience, though, at least in the sense that it has very few natural false positives. If you disagree, please send me some long-form verifiable false positives that were not explicitly written to trick Pangram. I love to learn.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#508

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Not my article, but this is quite convincing of the brittle nature of these tools. https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/i-wouldnt-say-pangram-i...

I agree Pangram's UI is awful and often misleading. Their underlying classifier model is pretty accurate in my experience, though, at least in the sense that it has very few natural false positives. If you disagree, please send me some long-form verifiable false positives that were not explicitly written to trick Pangram. I love to learn.

I just sent you a long article which you could not have read in the time it took you to reply. I would suggest you start there and read that article, which outlines several cases where the author was able to create contrived false positives and negatives.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#509

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I agree Pangram's UI is awful and often misleading. Their underlying classifier model is pretty accurate in my experience, though, at least in the sense that it has very few natural false positives. If you disagree, please send me some long-form verifiable false positives that were not explicitly written to trick Pangram. I love to learn.

I just sent you a long article which you could not have read in the time it took you to reply. I would suggest you start there and read that article, which outlines several cases where the author was able to create contrived false positives and negatives.

I read this article about a week ago. Did you read my reply? I am interested in natural false positives (ones not written to fool the classifier.)

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#510
post #115

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You are using countless products that are built or have become maintained by AI without realizing it apparently.

I do notice and realize, and I've gotten to the point where I had to fork and patch most of them to fix the shitty AI generated code. It's so bad, and so everywhere , that I'm genuinely considering switching to a pre-AI stable distro and waiting 10 years for the AI hyped to be over before updating any piece of software ever again.

This simply isn't true. You're typing on a website that uses it...literally right now. You use countless things that you aren't forking.
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