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US strikes $1.2B deal to pay German firm to halt offshore wind projects

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Post by _heimdall »

mrob wrote: post #156
_heimdall wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We also need to use less total energy, regardless of source. That number doesn't have to always go up.

There are only two routes to preventing the climate disaster we've already set in motion: Risky geoengineering projects like stratospheric aerosol injection. Direct atmospheric capture of CO2. The latter is the safer option because it's just restoring the atmosphere to a known good state. Direct atmospheric capture of billions of tons of CO2 per year will take enormous amounts of energy. We're going to need a lot mor…

I've never been particularly intrigued by the climate disaster angle. Not that it isn't an issue, but that it shouldn't be a prerequisite for a person to consume less by choice.

If I have to convince someone that 1) the climate is changing beyond historical patterns 2) I know the chemical/mechanical processes at play and 3) we caused it just so they turn off the TV when they leave the house or enjoy their current car a few years longer, its a situation that will never be resolved.

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

bs38 wrote: post #187
i5heu wrote: post #101

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"common sense" is common sense because it is not "specialised sense" or "expert sense" So if politicians base their decisions on "common sense", they confess to not being able to use experts that refine their knowledge and position about a topic. A "common sense" strategy is therefore what is most popular and on the basis of the understanding of laymen without deeper understanding or knowledge.

You dont need deeper understanding of knowledge for everything. Ask Grandma whether she needs a chemical engineering degree to bake apple pie. Then there is the Theory of Bounded Rationality which tells us expertise may exist but resources, time, energy, info, attention etc etc may not therefore bounds and limits of expertise alone must be recognized and solutions reached are satisficable rather than optimal. Aiming…

> You dont need deeper understanding of knowledge for everything. Ask Grandma whether she needs a chemical engineering degree to bake apple pie.

You've clearly never baked before. Baking is a chemical science. You have to adjust temperatures for your freaking elevation relative to sea level. Granted some recipes are pretty forgiving, sure, but far from all, and some are downright merciless in terms of complexity and effort required.

Even people who do it constantly have items that just don't turn out because it's legitimately hard shit.

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Post by niek_pas »

ebri wrote: post #260

I wish I had not read this. I am not kidding when I say this is ruining my day thinking about. One thing is they ruin our times. But they are in the game of ruining the rest of time for humankind, too.

As well as all the other species.

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Post by 1234letshaveatw »

myrmidon wrote: post #227
s_dev wrote: post #196

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What's more mental you talk to any Germans about deprecating their Nuclear power stations they will bang on about their plan for renewables and then you read these sorts of headlines. What the hell is happening over there? Why can't they get 'energy' despite being a scientifically literate nation. France has a far superior energy policy so it's not like you even have to travel beyond a few miles to see a wildly diffe…

Germany is already way ahead of the US in switching away from fossil electricity (also ahead of China). Sure, keeping the entire nuclear fleet from ~2000 would have maybe helped, but would have required very costly (economically and politically!) investments over the last few decades, and those basically went into renewables instead which turned out fine. See: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/electricity-prod-sourc…

Is all of their energy consumption met by domestic production?

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Post by dudefeliciano »

phplovesong wrote: post #30

The madness continues. No one else is to blame other than the american zeros who made this hell to continue this long.

Don't worry they are now starting to wake up and realize that Trump has been lying to them so they will vote for Tucker Carlson in the next election.

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Post by anonreplier »

rayiner wrote: post #276
prox wrote: post #112

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If this is true, this is the person some folks think is fit to lead a nation. One little thing not suiting his whim of the day? Lets hate something that helps with energy production. Welcome the world of transactional opportunism.

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Hmm does this "aesthetic" include shrinking national parks?

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Post by RobotToaster »

jfengel wrote: post #142
bsenftner wrote: post #63

The USA is governed by evil people, and the people of the nation are too stupid and expecting someone else to stop them. Plain as day light.

No, we're not expecting someone else to stop it. We voted for this. The evil is not imposed on us. It is us. Not everyone, but a majority. The minority is looking for ways to stop it, but it requires getting literally everyone else to work together. Which means any disagreement among them results in a loss, and more of the same evil.

Less than half of people who voted voted for Trump, and turnout was 64%.

Being allowed to chose between two evils every few years isn't democracy.

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Post by ben_w »

blaze33 wrote: post #210
i5heu wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"common sense" is common sense because it is not "specialised sense" or "expert sense" So if politicians base their decisions on "common sense", they confess to not being able to use experts that refine their knowledge and position about a topic. A "common sense" strategy is therefore what is most popular and on the basis of the understanding of laymen without deeper understanding or knowledge.

For at least a few years, "common sense" has been hijacked by populist politicians, now it just means whatever simplistic idea that fits their worldview, even when it's not complicated to see that said idea is clearly misguided. The original meaning seems lost to me.

Always meant that, so far as I can see.

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Post by b3lvedere »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #163
iammjm wrote: post #117

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People were for years joking about us approaching Idiocracy but I think this reality is already dumber than that in some regards. Trump & co really turbocharged the idiotification

It's a cliche now to say we're past that as in Idiocracy they listened to the smartest person to solve their problem. We're now onto Captain Planet baddies. Ridiculously childish cartoon carictatures of greed and evil are now in charge

I wonder if the power of heart will save us then.
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