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US strikes $1.2B deal to pay German firm to halt offshore wind projects

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Re: US strikes $1.2B deal to pay German firm to halt offshore wind projects

#62

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We also need to use less total energy, regardless of source. That number doesn't have to always go up.

That number directly correlates with life quality in almost every country on earth. More energy per capita means higher life quality, without a doubt in every high quality place.

OK some people should use less energy

Re: US strikes $1.2B deal to pay German firm to halt offshore wind projects

#64

Insane. Over the last year, wind - mostly offshore - has generated more than 35% of electricity here. Gas is down to 27%. It's really, really good. And it looks cool.

What's insane is that one person will cite something this in one place, but the rest of the people in the thread say "why aren't we building wind and solar????"

We are building lots. Of everything.

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The LNG plant is being built in Texas which are covered with turbines, and they absolutely do not look cool.

> Texas which are covered with turbines Is "Texas" the plural of "Texa"?

They sure aren't

Re: US strikes $1.2B deal to pay German firm to halt offshore wind projects

#66

> Interior Secretary Doug Burgum said in a statement posted on X that Americans deserve an energy system built on common sense and not one dependent on "costly subsidies". I agree. This is why we are building offshore wind and not subsidizing fossil fuels, right?

While they pay a subsidy: > RWE said that it will now reinvest the sum

Re: US strikes $1.2B deal to pay German firm to halt offshore wind projects

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post #51

> Interior Secretary Doug Burgum said in a statement posted on X that Americans deserve an energy system built on common sense and not one dependent on "costly subsidies". I agree. This is why we are building offshore wind and not subsidizing fossil fuels, right?

All kinds of power generation are typically heavily subdized in some way. I do not think this "common sense" strategy exists.

That’s a perverse incentive against ecology, case in point. Hear me out. We take citizen’s money to subsidize energy so they can get their energy for cheaper (at marginal level - while still paying the subsidy’s taxes) so they can undertake industrial/residential projects that we wouldn’t do with less energy. In a word, we incentive people to consume more (in a consumerist sense), which is bad for ecology, because we can’t afford them, and neither can the Earth.

Of course, leaving aside how petroleum is subsidized [through the department of defense].

While ecologists usually are in favor of subsidies, subsidies incentive people to consume more, which exhausts our Earth. We should develop less, i.e. we should develop in accordance with a higher facial cost of energy, which sometimes implies having a smaller home and fewer industries, which is what would happen if we didn’t sponsor solar or wind energy [or coal or fossil].

Re: US strikes $1.2B deal to pay German firm to halt offshore wind projects

#68

> Interior Secretary Doug Burgum said in a statement posted on X that Americans deserve an energy system built on common sense and not one dependent on "costly subsidies". I agree. This is why we are building offshore wind and not subsidizing fossil fuels, right?

It's even dumber than that. Someone built a wind farm near Trump's golf course in Scotland and now he hates wind farms: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c15l3knp4xyo. He thinks they're ugly and noisy.

Re: US strikes $1.2B deal to pay German firm to halt offshore wind projects

#69

Hopefully they take the money and use to to build more wind turbines in Europe I guess. Absolutely shameful what the USA has become.

>RWE said that it will now reinvest the sum into conventional gas projects, including $900m (£669m) in a liquefied natural gas (LNG) export terminal project in Louisiana.

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#70
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Parts of the world are literally on fire but the US is redirecting money to halt renewables and towards gas. The demand for energy is higher than ever due to AI data centers, but I guess the next model is more important than a habitable environment.

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Seems like you read some misinformation there. Share of coal in the German electricity mix:

2021 30.2%

2022 33.3% (the year that nuclear was shut off)

2023 26.0%

2024 21.2%

2025 22.4%

Complete phase out is scheduled for the 2030s.

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