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US strikes $1.2B deal to pay German firm to halt offshore wind projects

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There are too many interested parties involved in the energy sector. The only common sense I can think of is solar+storage at the single building level and interconnected through smart grids with neighbours. But that leaves out the government and all those interested parties so we're never ever getting that.

And in the winter in the North people are just supposed to freeze?

Solar would produce enough power in winter. Germany is europe's top solar energy producer and is at a latitude similar to Alaska.

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This mixes several different things into one causal puddle. Yes, keeping the remaining nuclear plants running would have reduced emissions and electricity prices somewhat. A 2024 Energy Policy study estimates the 2022/23 extension lowered German wholesale prices by about €9/MWh. That's a real effect, but nowhere remotely close to "the nuclear phase-out doubled electricity prices." The huge price spike was primarily t…

A better question is why Germany invested in gas power plants in the first place. Gas has always been the most expensive source of electricity, even before "the gas crisis" (how many of those have we had already?):

https://www.ffe.de/en/publications/merit-order-shifts-and-th...

China is laughing at the prices Europe agreed to buy Russian gas for:

https://asiatimes.com/2026/07/power-of-siberia-2-deadlock-cr...

I get the idea that Germany would buy Russian gas in exchange for not having to spend on the military, but 2014 clearly showed that it didn't work. And Germany still doubled down on gas after 2022.

Now the argument seems to be that Germany will buy American gas so that it can get lower tariffs.

I don't see how Germany can compete with a China that refuses to reject the cheapest forms of energy, whatever that is (both nuclear and coal are cheaper than imported gas).

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Global warming is also killing wildlife. And by many magnitudes more than drilling some holes for offshore wind parks.

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You don't seem to understand the meeting of the word 'literally'.

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Insane. Over the last year, wind - mostly offshore - has generated more than 35% of electricity here. Gas is down to 27%. It's really, really good. And it looks cool.

The LNG plant is being built in Texas which are covered with turbines, and they absolutely do not look cool.

So they look hot?

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> Interior Secretary Doug Burgum said in a statement posted on X that Americans deserve an energy system built on common sense and not one dependent on "costly subsidies". I agree. This is why we are building offshore wind and not subsidizing fossil fuels, right?

And don't forget ethanol, probably the least efficient form of energy ever discovered

What are you talking about, it powers a lot of people I know

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Insane. Over the last year, wind - mostly offshore - has generated more than 35% of electricity here. Gas is down to 27%. It's really, really good. And it looks cool.

What's more mental you talk to any Germans about deprecating their Nuclear power stations they will bang on about their plan for renewables and then you read these sorts of headlines.

What the hell is happening over there? Why can't they get 'energy' despite being a scientifically literate nation. France has a far superior energy policy so it's not like you even have to travel beyond a few miles to see a wildly different price for electricity. At this rate French electricity will be half the price in a few years compared to German electricity. Germany is making mistake after mistake on energy. From Russian dependence to Nuclear scepticism to now accepting money to not build renewables.

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The USA is governed by evil people, and the people of the nation are too stupid and expecting someone else to stop them. Plain as day light.

No, we're not expecting someone else to stop it. We voted for this. The evil is not imposed on us. It is us. Not everyone, but a majority. The minority is looking for ways to stop it, but it requires getting literally everyone else to work together. Which means any disagreement among them results in a loss, and more of the same evil.

It's not a majority at all. it's a manipulating minority.

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Insane. Over the last year, wind - mostly offshore - has generated more than 35% of electricity here. Gas is down to 27%. It's really, really good. And it looks cool.

This is the exact reason it's happening. Offshore wind is cheaper than gas /kWh and would therefore kill Trump's fossil fuel donor's profits. So kill offshore wind and the grid is forced to go to more expensive fossil fuel sources, which increased the grid price and means extra profits go to those companies. All this raises energy prices.

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Parts of the world are literally on fire but the US is redirecting money to halt renewables and towards gas. The demand for energy is higher than ever due to AI data centers, but I guess the next model is more important than a habitable environment.

> Parts of the world are literally on fire but the US is redirecting money to halt renewables and towards gas.

Parts of the US are literally on fire.

* https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/usfs/map/#d:24hrs;@-100...

* https://wfca.com/fire-map

* https://www.nifc.gov/fire-information/maps

Re: US strikes $1.2B deal to pay German firm to halt offshore wind projects

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Parts of the world are literally on fire but the US is redirecting money to halt renewables and towards gas. The demand for energy is higher than ever due to AI data centers, but I guess the next model is more important than a habitable environment.

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The goal is not to "gain better control" over the earth's temperature, it's to stop actively throwing the temperature out of control.

Worth scrolling through this if you have been midwit-pilled into thinking humans have no levers of control on this question: https://xkcd.com/1732/

Please explain your alternative hypothesis.

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