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Civilians under siege by Mexican cartel fight back with AK-47s, grenades

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Re: Civilians under siege by Mexican cartel fight back with AK-47s, grenades

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Mexico has been like that for decades, I believe it's top 1 priority for most Mexicans yet it's still not fixed. What gives ? At some point when your government is so corrupt, you got to take weapon and organize yourself. It's sad.

A characteristic of most of Latin America is that the Police and the Army were created to protect power, not the people, and there hasn't really been an effort to change the mentality.

That's a characteristic of police everywhere.

Re: Civilians under siege by Mexican cartel fight back with AK-47s, grenades

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So you're forced to join a gang and fight their rival gangs, or you form your own gang equipped with rifles and grenades ready to commit violence, so that you can fight against joining that gang, or any other gang. Either way you're in a violent gang. I guess I'd rather have the state maintain a monopoly on violence.

Not sure its fair to equate a gang fueled by drug smuggling to a self-defense militia.

The only equating I did was to point out that either way you're stuck having to align with a group of people willing and ready to commit lethal violence with lethal weapons.

Use whatever words you want but I think that's clearly violent and it's clearly a gang, which by definition is "a group of persons working together" or even more specifically, "a group of persons working to unlawful or antisocial ends". In this case the newly formed gang is certainly unlawful.

Re: Civilians under siege by Mexican cartel fight back with AK-47s, grenades

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Not sure its fair to equate a gang fueled by drug smuggling to a self-defense militia.

Apparently, words can just mean whatever people want, so long as it aligns with one's feelings or helps them feel superior to others.

Yeah, I guess "self-defense militia" aligns more closely with some people's feelings than "violent gang" does. To each his own.

Re: Civilians under siege by Mexican cartel fight back with AK-47s, grenades

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Why should the US fight Mexican cartels? They have their own armies and plenty of ammo.

If you think the outputs of Mexican cartels stay in Mexico, you're severely underinformed. Do you know how many civilian deaths (to say nothing of human trafficking and more) are directly due to Mexican cartels? The US absolutely has an interest in the destruction of Mexican cartels.

I'm not uninformed about cartel drug manufacturing and resulting American deaths. That's why we had to seal the border, and we need to keep enforcing it. But to send troops into a country that denies their entry is another thing.

I don't mind bombing the cartels from a distance. I'd rather the U.S. continues to pursue diplomatic options vs. war.

Re: Civilians under siege by Mexican cartel fight back with AK-47s, grenades

#35
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It's not an ideal situation, but since the Mexican government refuses to do its job and protect their people and uphold the law what choice do they have? Right now these people are just doing whatever they can to survive but it's just treating the symptom. The source of the problem is the Mexican government who is either incompetent or happy to take bribes to look the other way while their citizens are left the mercy…

What can the government do at this point? We are talking about criminal syndicates with basically standing armies. If the Mexican government goes to all out war it will lead to a humanitarian disaster.

They should send in the army. How is what's happening there now not already a war and a humanitarian disaster? The only difference is that the civilians are the ones forced into fighting and they're having to buy their guns from rival gangs to do it. Actual soldiers with the firepower of the government should be doing the fighting instead of random farmers.

Re: Civilians under siege by Mexican cartel fight back with AK-47s, grenades

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post #28
post #17

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Apparently, words can just mean whatever people want, so long as it aligns with one's feelings or helps them feel superior to others.

In case you need one, you have made a friend. Excellent comment, which fits the scene as might a custom tailored glove.

The reminded me of Johnnie Cochran "If the glove don't fit, you must acquit" slogan he used during the O.J. Simpson murder trial.

Re: Civilians under siege by Mexican cartel fight back with AK-47s, grenades

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So you're forced to join a gang and fight their rival gangs, or you form your own gang equipped with rifles and grenades ready to commit violence, so that you can fight against joining that gang, or any other gang. Either way you're in a violent gang. I guess I'd rather have the state maintain a monopoly on violence.

These gangs are states. We can tell this because they have monopolies on violence.

You are completely correct. As much as many people don´t want to hear it, Mexico is a failing state. It´s extremely obvious when you are there that the United Mexican States lost most of the reins some time ago.

It started with the debt crisis, and its causes, but was definitively realized by 1994 when the Zapatistas took much of Chiapas.

Too much emphasis is put on the drug cartels alone, when the problem is much larger. I suspect by the end of the century maps will no longer show Mexico in its current form.

Re: Civilians under siege by Mexican cartel fight back with AK-47s, grenades

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These gangs are states. We can tell this because they have monopolies on violence.

The entire reason there is any conflict there is a lack of a monopoly on violence… The monopoly part is significant. It’s not just “doing a lot of”.

So Russia isn't a state?

Re: Civilians under siege by Mexican cartel fight back with AK-47s, grenades

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What can the government do at this point? We are talking about criminal syndicates with basically standing armies. If the Mexican government goes to all out war it will lead to a humanitarian disaster.

They should send in the army. How is what's happening there now not already a war and a humanitarian disaster? The only difference is that the civilians are the ones forced into fighting and they're having to buy their guns from rival gangs to do it. Actual soldiers with the firepower of the government should be doing the fighting instead of random farmers.

Calderón did exactly that. Fought an all-out war with the cartels. 60,000 people dead and nothing changed.
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