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Civilians under siege by Mexican cartel fight back with AK-47s, grenades

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Re: Civilians under siege by Mexican cartel fight back with AK-47s, grenades

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Mexico has been like that for decades, I believe it's top 1 priority for most Mexicans yet it's still not fixed. What gives ? At some point when your government is so corrupt, you got to take weapon and organize yourself. It's sad.

Many countries are effectively ruled by gangs and cartels. That’s why kings became kind of a big deal in Europe. The states monopoly on violence was solidified back the

Re: Civilians under siege by Mexican cartel fight back with AK-47s, grenades

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

These gangs are states. We can tell this because they have monopolies on violence.

The entire reason there is any conflict there is a lack of a monopoly on violence… The monopoly part is significant. It’s not just “doing a lot of”.

In this case it's like cable TV. Only not a monopoly if you look at the whole country...

Re: Civilians under siege by Mexican cartel fight back with AK-47s, grenades

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These self defense groups sound great until you think about all the problems with vigilante groups. Also they have a history of turning into cartels. That and all things being equal I suspect most of the people in these groups would rather not be fighting.

It's not an ideal situation, but since the Mexican government refuses to do its job and protect their people and uphold the law what choice do they have? Right now these people are just doing whatever they can to survive but it's just treating the symptom. The source of the problem is the Mexican government who is either incompetent or happy to take bribes to look the other way while their citizens are left the mercy…

What can the government do at this point? We are talking about criminal syndicates with basically standing armies. If the Mexican government goes to all out war it will lead to a humanitarian disaster.

Re: Civilians under siege by Mexican cartel fight back with AK-47s, grenades

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

These gangs are states. We can tell this because they have monopolies on violence.

The entire reason there is any conflict there is a lack of a monopoly on violence… The monopoly part is significant. It’s not just “doing a lot of”.

The conflict isn't because of the lack of monopoly. The conflict and lack of monopoly are because whoever as the closest thing to a monopoly is doing such a bad job.

Re: Civilians under siege by Mexican cartel fight back with AK-47s, grenades

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

These gangs are states. We can tell this because they have monopolies on violence.

The entire reason there is any conflict there is a lack of a monopoly on violence… The monopoly part is significant. It’s not just “doing a lot of”.

I don't think you need total control, just enough so that you're the go-to party for diplomatic and military negotiations in the geopolitical region.

Re: Civilians under siege by Mexican cartel fight back with AK-47s, grenades

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Mexico has been like that for decades, I believe it's top 1 priority for most Mexicans yet it's still not fixed. What gives ? At some point when your government is so corrupt, you got to take weapon and organize yourself. It's sad.

A characteristic of most of Latin America is that the Police and the Army were created to protect power, not the people, and there hasn't really been an effort to change the mentality.

Meanwhile in the US the laws are being changed to protect the wealthy, while the current administration is siphoning value of national assets into their own pockets. The poorer the country, the more likely this is to happen. I wonder how long it will take for warlords to set up shop in Kansas...

Re: Civilians under siege by Mexican cartel fight back with AK-47s, grenades

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure its fair to equate a gang fueled by drug smuggling to a self-defense militia.

Apparently, words can just mean whatever people want, so long as it aligns with one's feelings or helps them feel superior to others.

In case you need one, you have made a friend. Excellent comment, which fits the scene as might a custom tailored glove.

Re: Civilians under siege by Mexican cartel fight back with AK-47s, grenades

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the real war the US should be fighting

Why should the US fight Mexican cartels? They have their own armies and plenty of ammo.

If you think the outputs of Mexican cartels stay in Mexico, you're severely underinformed. Do you know how many civilian deaths (to say nothing of human trafficking and more) are directly due to Mexican cartels?

The US absolutely has an interest in the destruction of Mexican cartels.

Re: Civilians under siege by Mexican cartel fight back with AK-47s, grenades

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the real war the US should be fighting

Why should the US be fighting Mexican gangs? Mexico should send their own army to fight the criminal gangs. If we want to send our army after gangs we have plenty of them right here in the US. We could start with the ones in our Sheriff's Departments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_in_the_Los_Angeles_Count...
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