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On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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-cough- Shizuku + ShizuTools pseudo-root via system-user * https://github.com/timschneeb/awesome-shizuku * https://github.com/legendsayantan/ShizuTools * https://github.com/RikkaApps/Shizuku/discussions/462

I think shizuku has same privileges as adb. if adb debloating stops working, shizuku will stop too.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Some percentage will click Allow.

Yes, that's Google's excuse for banning side loading. It's a terrible reason.

They aren't banning it. They are introducing a one time 24 hour waiting period. Not ideal, but not banning.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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post #18

GrapheneOS has minimal, private [1] system apps so you don't have to debloat anything yourself. Manual debloating is not a good solution at the user level. Some system apps are being overhauled, so that's something to look forward to. Gallery will be [2] based on ReFra [3]. [1] Except phone and messaging but that's the cell network. GrapheneOS recommends Signal/Molly or SimpleX instead. [2] https://nitter.net/Graphen…

GrapheneOS or other custom ROMs don't solve the actual problem that you can't just buy a smartphone and install any operating system like you can with an actual computer, despite technically being one. Also, GrapheneOS supports device attestation (the non-google kind at least), which is still ridiculous as such systems have no benefit to people, only to technofeudalist corporations.

A piece of wisdom I read here is that "install any operating system like you can with a [PC]" is something that you can only do with a PC. PC's are the exception. Every other device is controlled by the manufacturer.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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post #29

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And Graphene OS is also anti-user by being tremendously rude about NOT providing root and using the same tired "suck-u-rity" crap Google and Apple also use. If you're smart enough to buy a phone that supports GrapheneOS, AND install it, yeah you should have root. And tools like XPrivacy and plugins allow control of subsystems like GPS spoofing and lying to apps.

Software freedom is about freedom of choice, not philosophically mandated security holes. You are free to take the GrapheneOS code and introduce a huge vulnerability in the form of a privilege escalation path from sandboxed apps if you wish, it is open source and you can easily compile and flash your own build. Mobile phones store incredibly intimate data and are incredibly vulnerable to seizure. It stores my message…

Why is providing a mechanism to view your own data a security risk? You cannot view application data (even in a read only fashion) without root on android. Why should the app be able to read its own data, but the human not able to?

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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post #29

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And Graphene OS is also anti-user by being tremendously rude about NOT providing root and using the same tired "suck-u-rity" crap Google and Apple also use. If you're smart enough to buy a phone that supports GrapheneOS, AND install it, yeah you should have root. And tools like XPrivacy and plugins allow control of subsystems like GPS spoofing and lying to apps.

Software freedom is about freedom of choice, not philosophically mandated security holes. You are free to take the GrapheneOS code and introduce a huge vulnerability in the form of a privilege escalation path from sandboxed apps if you wish, it is open source and you can easily compile and flash your own build. Mobile phones store incredibly intimate data and are incredibly vulnerable to seizure. It stores my message…

> not philosophically mandated security holes.

So you're arguing the same technofascist arguments that Apple and Google both claim. I own my phone, not technofascist sky daddy, or whatever developer also envisions that role.

My hardware. My rules. More people like you need to learn what ownership actually bloody means.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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I use Rethink DNS for this, see ( https://github.com/celzero/rethink-app ). Despite it's name it can also block IPs and specific apps from connecting to specific servers. I use it to block all manufacturer and OEM related apps that I cannot uninstall through adb or disable. Very handy for blocking constant Chinese phone telemetry pings, as well as additional network level blocklists for ads (Pi-hole like), completely…

You're right, our Telemetry Blocklist is a mailing list for a hosts file. I can offer you the list directly, no email required. Just visit https://raw.githubusercontent.com/lightinthedarksolutions/te... and copy the file to your device. This will block common telemetry servers without any external dependencies.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Well that was the original android phone idea. Get a hackable open device that you can write apps for your self. Even attach third party hardware to it for extra functionality with lots of customisation. But this idea has mutated quite a bit.

I fully agree with it. But I think Google also understands that the platform is unatractive for businesses. In my case I just don't do Android app because I know it is easy to just take and hack. It is not the case on iPhone. And my app is one time payment so the ability to just copy out the APK leaves me not doing an app at all...

Do you target macos or windows, which have always given users full control of software management?

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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post #60

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You can't sideload iOS applications. Meaning there's no point to doing any of the listed things.

Of course you can. How do you think developers test their apps?

Never did iOS development. I always assumed it requires active USB connection with a dev machine or an emulator.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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I don't understand why ensuring general-purpose computing is not a priority of the European Union. All that talk about sovereignty, and we are giving full control of our digital lives to 2 American companies.

yeah but processors phone home anyway at a level beneath the OS and there’s no european chip development worth mentioning. so i’m not sure real sovereignty is ever going to be possible. crazy considering ASML being in europe.

> processors phone home anyway at a level beneath the OS

Links?

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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post #29

GrapheneOS has minimal, private [1] system apps so you don't have to debloat anything yourself. Manual debloating is not a good solution at the user level. Some system apps are being overhauled, so that's something to look forward to. Gallery will be [2] based on ReFra [3]. [1] Except phone and messaging but that's the cell network. GrapheneOS recommends Signal/Molly or SimpleX instead. [2] https://nitter.net/Graphen…

And Graphene OS is also anti-user by being tremendously rude about NOT providing root and using the same tired "suck-u-rity" crap Google and Apple also use. If you're smart enough to buy a phone that supports GrapheneOS, AND install it, yeah you should have root. And tools like XPrivacy and plugins allow control of subsystems like GPS spoofing and lying to apps.

It's pretty trivial to get your own almost-GOS with root. The official GOS release simply doesn't support it in the production images.

Why not root has been explained many times and you actually either want the official image with no root exactly because of the benefits, or you want custom image because you don't need these benefits.

For location faking Mock location works on GOS,l.

I see much bigger problem with not having a reliable backup than not having root.

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