Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a regulated market economy. Someone has to actually make the product. They can't force someone to make a product. There's MNT in the EU.
While the EU and its member countries can't (or at least morally shouldn't) force people to make the product, if it was a priority they could incentivise it with funding, tax breaks, etc.
On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails
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Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a regulated market economy. Someone has to actually make the product. They can't force someone to make a product. There's MNT in the EU.
They can make the product according to rules that are imposed on them. One rule: allow privacy. Unless the privacy is not in the field of interest of both the producer and the EU
Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails
#23I don't understand why ensuring general-purpose computing is not a priority of the European Union. All that talk about sovereignty, and we are giving full control of our digital lives to 2 American companies.
Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a regulated market economy. Someone has to actually make the product. They can't force someone to make a product. There's MNT in the EU.
They can make the product according to rules that are imposed on them. One rule: allow privacy. Unless the privacy is not in the field of interest of both the producer and the EU
Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails
#25I think it might be a good idea to pause updates on our Android devices, as horrible as it is for security just to prevent this from happening. My OEM has a lot of bloat (Facebook and other junk apps you can't uninstall, useless system services, etc) that mostly do nothing except provide some functionality I don't use along with analytics every minute so they are uninstalled. "Disabling" an app does not do that much,…
It's horrible. I don't think I can trust them to produce a Graphene phone at all, really, despite all of everyone's assurances.
Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails
#26I don't understand why ensuring general-purpose computing is not a priority of the European Union. All that talk about sovereignty, and we are giving full control of our digital lives to 2 American companies.
So maybe they prefer another solution to the sovereignty issue.
Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails
#27I don't understand why ensuring general-purpose computing is not a priority of the European Union. All that talk about sovereignty, and we are giving full control of our digital lives to 2 American companies.
Well that was the original android phone idea. Get a hackable open device that you can write apps for your self. Even attach third party hardware to it for extra functionality with lots of customisation. But this idea has mutated quite a bit.
Andy Rubin was no saint, on so many levels, but when he was removed from Android leadership and the Chrome culture effectively took over this was always how it was going to go.
Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails
#28I don't understand why ensuring general-purpose computing is not a priority of the European Union. All that talk about sovereignty, and we are giving full control of our digital lives to 2 American companies.
Well that was the original android phone idea. Get a hackable open device that you can write apps for your self. Even attach third party hardware to it for extra functionality with lots of customisation. But this idea has mutated quite a bit.
Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails
#29GrapheneOS has minimal, private [1] system apps so you don't have to debloat anything yourself. Manual debloating is not a good solution at the user level. Some system apps are being overhauled, so that's something to look forward to. Gallery will be [2] based on ReFra [3]. [1] Except phone and messaging but that's the cell network. GrapheneOS recommends Signal/Molly or SimpleX instead. [2] https://nitter.net/Graphen…
If you're smart enough to buy a phone that supports GrapheneOS, AND install it, yeah you should have root.
And tools like XPrivacy and plugins allow control of subsystems like GPS spoofing and lying to apps.
Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails
#30I don't understand why ensuring general-purpose computing is not a priority of the European Union. All that talk about sovereignty, and we are giving full control of our digital lives to 2 American companies.
It's a regulated market economy. Someone has to actually make the product. They can't force someone to make a product. There's MNT in the EU.
The EU has enough tech talent to do it, but the political and managerial class lack both the strategic ability or the willingness to adequately reward the effort it would take, almost certainly preferring to, again, outsource the concern, and then be shocked Pikachu later.
Anyone doubting this should see how BMW think about their in car software. And that is for a supposedly premium product.