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On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by p0w3n3d »

inigyou wrote: post #6
develoopest wrote: post #5

I don't understand why ensuring general-purpose computing is not a priority of the European Union. All that talk about sovereignty, and we are giving full control of our digital lives to 2 American companies.

It's a regulated market economy. Someone has to actually make the product. They can't force someone to make a product. There's MNT in the EU.

They can make the product according to rules that are imposed on them. One rule: allow privacy. Unless the privacy is not in the field of interest of both the producer and the EU

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by toymin »

inigyou wrote: post #6
develoopest wrote: post #5

I don't understand why ensuring general-purpose computing is not a priority of the European Union. All that talk about sovereignty, and we are giving full control of our digital lives to 2 American companies.

It's a regulated market economy. Someone has to actually make the product. They can't force someone to make a product. There's MNT in the EU.

They could give more funding to SailfishOS, for example

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by mrbn100ful »

Cider9986 wrote: post #8

GrapheneOS has minimal, private [1] system apps so you don't have to debloat anything yourself. Manual debloating is not a good solution at the user level. Some system apps are being overhauled, so that's something to look forward to. Gallery will be [2] based on ReFra [3]. [1] Except phone and messaging but that's the cell network. GrapheneOS recommends Signal/Molly or SimpleX instead. [2] https://nitter.net/Graphen…

What does GrapheneOS have to do with this?

This is very useful on OEM ROMs with a bunch of scrapware, no one expects a custom ROM to have this issue.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by spwa4 »

Extremely "Googly" responses there. Not a single mention of the strategy of Google to include, oh, payment, social gaming, ads ... effectively building it into the system and totally disregarding the reasoning that people might want to remove or replace Google Play Services for those reasons. Just act like all that doesn't exist.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by pitchlatte »

develoopest wrote: post #5

I don't understand why ensuring general-purpose computing is not a priority of the European Union. All that talk about sovereignty, and we are giving full control of our digital lives to 2 American companies.

yeah but processors phone home anyway at a level beneath the OS and there’s no european chip development worth mentioning. so i’m not sure real sovereignty is ever going to be possible. crazy considering ASML being in europe.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by nicman23 »

Cider9986 wrote: post #8

GrapheneOS has minimal, private [1] system apps so you don't have to debloat anything yourself. Manual debloating is not a good solution at the user level. Some system apps are being overhauled, so that's something to look forward to. Gallery will be [2] based on ReFra [3]. [1] Except phone and messaging but that's the cell network. GrapheneOS recommends Signal/Molly or SimpleX instead. [2] https://nitter.net/Graphen…

in grapheneOS you can disable or uninstall almost everything without adb anyways

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by yorwba »

develoopest wrote: post #5

I don't understand why ensuring general-purpose computing is not a priority of the European Union. All that talk about sovereignty, and we are giving full control of our digital lives to 2 American companies.

There is no shortage of general-purpose computing hardware in the EU. If you need some general-purpose compute to make a car, an oven, or a phone, you can get it. That consumers mostly buy special-purpose devices that don't always allow them to make full use of the possibilities of the hardware is hardly a sovereignity challenge.

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Post by Elfener »

Cider9986 wrote: post #8

GrapheneOS has minimal, private [1] system apps so you don't have to debloat anything yourself. Manual debloating is not a good solution at the user level. Some system apps are being overhauled, so that's something to look forward to. Gallery will be [2] based on ReFra [3]. [1] Except phone and messaging but that's the cell network. GrapheneOS recommends Signal/Molly or SimpleX instead. [2] https://nitter.net/Graphen…

GrapheneOS or other custom ROMs don't solve the actual problem that you can't just buy a smartphone and install any operating system like you can with an actual computer, despite technically being one.

Also, GrapheneOS supports device attestation (the non-google kind at least), which is still ridiculous as such systems have no benefit to people, only to technofeudalist corporations.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by vincnetas »

develoopest wrote: post #5

I don't understand why ensuring general-purpose computing is not a priority of the European Union. All that talk about sovereignty, and we are giving full control of our digital lives to 2 American companies.

Well that was the original android phone idea. Get a hackable open device that you can write apps for your self. Even attach third party hardware to it for extra functionality with lots of customisation. But this idea has mutated quite a bit.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by inigyou »

toymin wrote: post #12
inigyou wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a regulated market economy. Someone has to actually make the product. They can't force someone to make a product. There's MNT in the EU.

They could give more funding to SailfishOS, for example

Sailfish would have to ask for it. Possibly via NLnet. Have they?

And they need a plan to spend it.

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