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On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a regulated market economy. Someone has to actually make the product. They can't force someone to make a product. There's MNT in the EU.

While the EU and its member countries can't (or at least morally shouldn't) force people to make the product, if it was a priority they could incentivise it with funding, tax breaks, etc.

NLnet funds a lot of things, few of which get very popular. It keeps a lot of FOSS gears turning but it's not making the next iPhone.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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post #11
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a regulated market economy. Someone has to actually make the product. They can't force someone to make a product. There's MNT in the EU.

They can make the product according to rules that are imposed on them. One rule: allow privacy. Unless the privacy is not in the field of interest of both the producer and the EU

Yes, you could make the product. But you're not. And neither is anyone else. And there's nothing the EU government can directly do about that.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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post #11
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a regulated market economy. Someone has to actually make the product. They can't force someone to make a product. There's MNT in the EU.

They can make the product according to rules that are imposed on them. One rule: allow privacy. Unless the privacy is not in the field of interest of both the producer and the EU

Then why are you not making it?

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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I think it might be a good idea to pause updates on our Android devices, as horrible as it is for security just to prevent this from happening. My OEM has a lot of bloat (Facebook and other junk apps you can't uninstall, useless system services, etc) that mostly do nothing except provide some functionality I don't use along with analytics every minute so they are uninstalled. "Disabling" an app does not do that much,…

Every single reboot on my lower end Motorola phone, they have decided it fit to re-enable com.glance.lockscreenM every single boot and on every single update.

It's horrible. I don't think I can trust them to produce a Graphene phone at all, really, despite all of everyone's assurances.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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I don't understand why ensuring general-purpose computing is not a priority of the European Union. All that talk about sovereignty, and we are giving full control of our digital lives to 2 American companies.

I'm sure Europe currently uses the surveillance capabilities of those systems to prevent bad shit from happening.

So maybe they prefer another solution to the sovereignty issue.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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I don't understand why ensuring general-purpose computing is not a priority of the European Union. All that talk about sovereignty, and we are giving full control of our digital lives to 2 American companies.

Well that was the original android phone idea. Get a hackable open device that you can write apps for your self. Even attach third party hardware to it for extra functionality with lots of customisation. But this idea has mutated quite a bit.

Even by 2015 the noise in Google was “the Chrome OS model is better” with reference to them centrally controlling everything.

Andy Rubin was no saint, on so many levels, but when he was removed from Android leadership and the Chrome culture effectively took over this was always how it was going to go.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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I don't understand why ensuring general-purpose computing is not a priority of the European Union. All that talk about sovereignty, and we are giving full control of our digital lives to 2 American companies.

Well that was the original android phone idea. Get a hackable open device that you can write apps for your self. Even attach third party hardware to it for extra functionality with lots of customisation. But this idea has mutated quite a bit.

I fully agree with it. But I think Google also understands that the platform is unatractive for businesses. In my case I just don't do Android app because I know it is easy to just take and hack. It is not the case on iPhone. And my app is one time payment so the ability to just copy out the APK leaves me not doing an app at all...

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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GrapheneOS has minimal, private [1] system apps so you don't have to debloat anything yourself. Manual debloating is not a good solution at the user level. Some system apps are being overhauled, so that's something to look forward to. Gallery will be [2] based on ReFra [3]. [1] Except phone and messaging but that's the cell network. GrapheneOS recommends Signal/Molly or SimpleX instead. [2] https://nitter.net/Graphen…

And Graphene OS is also anti-user by being tremendously rude about NOT providing root and using the same tired "suck-u-rity" crap Google and Apple also use.

If you're smart enough to buy a phone that supports GrapheneOS, AND install it, yeah you should have root.

And tools like XPrivacy and plugins allow control of subsystems like GPS spoofing and lying to apps.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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post #6

I don't understand why ensuring general-purpose computing is not a priority of the European Union. All that talk about sovereignty, and we are giving full control of our digital lives to 2 American companies.

It's a regulated market economy. Someone has to actually make the product. They can't force someone to make a product. There's MNT in the EU.

Do what the Chinese did and fork Android.

The EU has enough tech talent to do it, but the political and managerial class lack both the strategic ability or the willingness to adequately reward the effort it would take, almost certainly preferring to, again, outsource the concern, and then be shocked Pikachu later.

Anyone doubting this should see how BMW think about their in car software. And that is for a supposedly premium product.

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