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Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux

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Post by nickjj »

severino wrote: post #327
CalRobert wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Europe at least the banks website won’t function if you don’t auth with their app.

In Spain at least you can. I know 4 or 5 banks that let you auth via SMS, coordinates card, etc. If yours doesn't, I suggest that you complain. Some colleagues had to call theirs and insist that the bank's application didn't work on their phones. Reluctantly at first, they eventually changed their method to SMS.

The interesting thing about SMS is this isn't always usable while traveling.

For example my phone provider has really overpriced international fees ($10 / day) so instead I use an eSIM which usually only comes with data. That means I lose the ability to use text messages or phone calls for any form of verification. A number of banks and other sites also block Google Voice / VoIP numbers.

Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux

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Post by ghtbircshotbe »

zx8080 wrote: post #198

If only a few techies will be able to use Linux phone, banks will freely lock payment services access down to two platforms: ios and android. No way out, it's happening right now (in the name of "security", of course, but surprisingly it does not stop scam from happening). Web will be locked down too, via secureboot stack browser integration (not -s, it's already actually monopolised to chrome only, as FF lives on fu…

It sucks but I'm not sure there much I can do about it personally. If/when the banks stop supporting browsers completely, I'll be glad I have a phone that can install the app

Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux

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Post by wookmaster »

SoftTalker wrote: post #199
jarbus wrote: post #80

I really want to love mobile Linux, and have given it multiple shots before. But I just don't see how it will catch up with iOS/Android in the same way it caught up with Windows/Mac: - OEMs have poured an enormous amount of resources into the camera software, Linux cameras are years behind from what I understand. - Android/iOS have thoroughly optimized the UX in all sorts of subtle ways, the big one being their keybo…

Apple's mobile keyboard is the worst I've used. I basically have to correct about half the words I type.

Yup somehow I typo so many things or it auto corrects things I dont want it to allll the time I hate typing on my iPhone it sucks. I've personally been keeping an eye on e-ink phones. I'd really like to move off of having the ability to use websites and apps except for basic stuff like texting.

Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux

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Post by frollogaston »

pjmlp wrote: post #390
fg137 wrote: post #373

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In "Androids: The Team That Built the Android Operating System" by Chet Haase (a book you shouldn't waste time on), it is very clear that making Android open source (i.e. AOSP) was almost by accident. Google was pretty confident that Android could be just as successful if it were a more closed ecosystem. And it seems to be that Google is increasingly regretting that decision and closing things down bit by bit, from P…

Folks around here that repeatedly mix Android with Linux, should also be happy that for whatever internal political reasons, they ended up not rebooting it with Fuchsia, or simply replacing the Linux kernel with Zircon. As everything else, especially anything with a GPL license, has been removed already, with exception of the Linux kernel.

People mix Android with Linux cause it is. Linux is only a kernel.

Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux

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Post by wookmaster »

pjmlp wrote: post #273
jarbus wrote: post #80

I really want to love mobile Linux, and have given it multiple shots before. But I just don't see how it will catch up with iOS/Android in the same way it caught up with Windows/Mac: - OEMs have poured an enormous amount of resources into the camera software, Linux cameras are years behind from what I understand. - Android/iOS have thoroughly optimized the UX in all sorts of subtle ways, the big one being their keybo…

Linux desktop is still not caught up with Windows/Mac in regards to graphics, gaming, and laptops hardware support. Gaming, it is mostly Windows games via Proton, hardly any different from using MAME, FS-UAE, Amiberry,... Graphics, most of the well known commercial packages for VFX, 3D modeling, visualisation, lack a Linux version. Laptops, just two years ago I failed to make UEFI work with the myriad of distribution…

I can't really speak to laptops but I ditched windows last year for Linux and it's pretty damn good for gaming I have no reason to go back to windows at this point every major game I want to play works flawlessly.

The only issue I've had is the new rust desktop from pop os, but I just pop back into gnome and everything is golden. I hope they get their issues solved soon but it was just released 6 months ago or so. I can understand there's some bugs to work out.

Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux

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Post by Eric_WVGG »

igor47 wrote: post #247
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #53

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Although I’m 100% in favor of credit unions over megabanks, I would not count on most having remotely decent web or app experiences.

I tried repeatedly with several credit unions, with poor results. The final straw was the patelco hack that made the entire bank unavailable for over a week. In the aftermath they implanted crazy security measures where talking to a rep required 6 layers of increasingly invasive authentication. But... The hack was of the bank infrastructure. It had nothing to do with individualized fraud, all accounts were affected -…

FWIW I use USAA, it’s a quasi-credit-union, and they’ve been great. But they’re also an outlier.

Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux

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Post by pjmlp »

frollogaston wrote: post #404
pjmlp wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Folks around here that repeatedly mix Android with Linux, should also be happy that for whatever internal political reasons, they ended up not rebooting it with Fuchsia, or simply replacing the Linux kernel with Zircon. As everything else, especially anything with a GPL license, has been removed already, with exception of the Linux kernel.

People mix Android with Linux cause it is. Linux is only a kernel.

So it is an OS or a kernel?

Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux

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Post by pjmlp »

wookmaster wrote: post #405
pjmlp wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux desktop is still not caught up with Windows/Mac in regards to graphics, gaming, and laptops hardware support. Gaming, it is mostly Windows games via Proton, hardly any different from using MAME, FS-UAE, Amiberry,... Graphics, most of the well known commercial packages for VFX, 3D modeling, visualisation, lack a Linux version. Laptops, just two years ago I failed to make UEFI work with the myriad of distribution…

I can't really speak to laptops but I ditched windows last year for Linux and it's pretty damn good for gaming I have no reason to go back to windows at this point every major game I want to play works flawlessly. The only issue I've had is the new rust desktop from pop os, but I just pop back into gnome and everything is golden. I hope they get their issues solved soon but it was just released 6 months ago or so. I…

So you only play native Linux games I assume, nothing of that Windows crap via Proton?

Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux

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Post by frollogaston »

pjmlp wrote: post #407
frollogaston wrote: post #404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People mix Android with Linux cause it is. Linux is only a kernel.

So it is an OS or a kernel?

It's a kernel per se, and any OS built on it is considered a Linux OS. "The Linux kernel is the core of any Linux operating system." - kernel readme

Linux.com refers to the kernel itself as an OS though, I think to relate to people who have only heard of OSes like Windows. And calls Android a platform based on the Linux OS :S

Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux

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Post by remix2000 »

thyristan wrote: post #279
remix2000 wrote: post #232

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Every [Linux based] OS usually needs some sort of HAL to wrap [ioctl] driver calls into APIs that can be consumed by more than one process at a time. Nokia/Moblin/Sailfish use Freedesktop style HALs, i.e. stuff like Wayland, Pipewire, anything accessible over DBus (which also implies extremely slow IPC by any standards; mach ipc on apple's darwins is probably faster [ sobs ]). Basically I'm suggesting that we might n…

I guess we just need the DBUS developers to get their heads out of their asses, that's all: https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/6/23/657

Nah, DBus itself is plain bad interface design. Perhaps they could just piggyback off Binder if DBus itself weren't beyond saving. Also, despite a common sentiment online, it's not at all a complex process to implement a Binder userspace (given you have a sensible IDL in the first place, that is…)

Wrt/ torvie's narcissistic snarks linked above, the most important task for a kernel is still to facilitate fast IPC. The only viable forms of IPC in Linux are UDS and Binder. The former is slow and clunky. The latter is not a valid choice for DBus. So DBus devs have to manage slow, clunky, ill-suited legacy IPC. When a kernel can't be bothered to accommodate one of the most important operating systems built upon it, that seems really bad.

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