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Post by gilthelander »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #120
tptacek wrote: post #78

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The funny thing about data center concerns in Chicagoland, where I'm hearing it, is that data centers are better neighbors than almost any other commercial real estate. The data centers in Aurora are surrounded with prairie green space; everything else, including the nicest office buildings, are a sea of eyesore asphalt parking lots. I get there can be real concerns, locally-specific, about energy usage (again: they…

But data centers basically take land and resources and generate almost nothing for the local community. The jobs are minimal after the data center is built. It's a giant windowless box. I would much rather have a strip mall in my community. Strip malls often have local businesses as tenants (so money made by the business then gets spent in the community), and they provide services the local community can interact wit…

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Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by warkdarrior »

gilthelander wrote: post #117
tptacek wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The funny thing about data center concerns in Chicagoland, where I'm hearing it, is that data centers are better neighbors than almost any other commercial real estate. The data centers in Aurora are surrounded with prairie green space; everything else, including the nicest office buildings, are a sea of eyesore asphalt parking lots. I get there can be real concerns, locally-specific, about energy usage (again: they…

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> You can't plant trees in a rail yard.

Why not?

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by userbinator »

altcognito wrote: post #101
userbinator wrote: post #94

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...which then comes down again as rain, and in those areas where it's dry enough that evaporative cooling works, the increased humidity might actually be a good thing.

In areas it's dry enough it is just leaving that watershed. It will be carried hundreds and thousands of miles away.

Decades ago, there was a plan to equalise the water supply throughout the country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Water_and_Power...

Now China is beating us: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South–North_Water_Transfer_Pro...

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by tptacek »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #120
tptacek wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The funny thing about data center concerns in Chicagoland, where I'm hearing it, is that data centers are better neighbors than almost any other commercial real estate. The data centers in Aurora are surrounded with prairie green space; everything else, including the nicest office buildings, are a sea of eyesore asphalt parking lots. I get there can be real concerns, locally-specific, about energy usage (again: they…

But data centers basically take land and resources and generate almost nothing for the local community. The jobs are minimal after the data center is built. It's a giant windowless box. I would much rather have a strip mall in my community. Strip malls often have local businesses as tenants (so money made by the business then gets spent in the community), and they provide services the local community can interact wit…

Office buildings take land and resources and generate almost nothing for the local community, and are islands in vast seas of asphalt and traffic attractors to boot. But nobody moralizes office buildings, just data centers, despite the fact that data centers are usually objectively better neighbors.

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by ericcumbee »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #120
tptacek wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The funny thing about data center concerns in Chicagoland, where I'm hearing it, is that data centers are better neighbors than almost any other commercial real estate. The data centers in Aurora are surrounded with prairie green space; everything else, including the nicest office buildings, are a sea of eyesore asphalt parking lots. I get there can be real concerns, locally-specific, about energy usage (again: they…

But data centers basically take land and resources and generate almost nothing for the local community. The jobs are minimal after the data center is built. It's a giant windowless box. I would much rather have a strip mall in my community. Strip malls often have local businesses as tenants (so money made by the business then gets spent in the community), and they provide services the local community can interact wit…

Property Tax revenue, and they are not a drain on services like schools, roads, fire department, police department etc.

I'm watching this debate in a town that i am from and where I live. Our choices are pretty much be swallowed up by growth from neighboring cities and become a bed room community or solar farms and data centers.

The downside with becoming a bedroom community is you risk creating a negative tax base. where the cost of providing services is more than the properties bring with property taxes. I don't know what the right answer is.

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Post by Mikhail_Edoshin »

conductr wrote: post #42
kortilla wrote: post #3

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Aesthetics are important. Everyone enjoys looking at a golf course, even non-golfers. Nobody wants to look at a datacenter. My general thought is, what’s the argument for placing them in populated areas to begin with? Why dedicate land use for it in Nashville? Wouldn’t putting it 40 miles outside town work just as well? Why don’t we create development zones specifically for these things? In Dallas we have a similar t…

A normal computer company mixes finely with residential and commercial spots: clean and quiet operation, employees can live closely, etc. A woodworking shop would be noisier. But it has to be normal, not a cryptominer or something like that.

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by 3eb7988a1663 »

hackernud3s wrote: post #75
kube-system wrote: post #55

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> what’s the argument for placing them in populated areas to begin with? Colos advertise their proximity to populated areas. It is desirable for physical access, latency, and connectivity.

Right? How do people not understand this? Have fun with your super-high latency when the DCs leave your city.

The signal speed in fiber is some 200k km/s. If you go 10 miles outside of a city, you are adding 0.1ms ping, and you will have dramatically fewer pitch forks.

The ping between New York and LA is ~70msec. Chatting with a LLM is not latency sensitive.

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by no-name-here »

ElevenLathe wrote: post #40
mixdup wrote: post #24

I don't know what DC Blox was going to put in this particular datacenter, but they are a "traditional" colocation datacenter company. Maybe this one would've been superdense GPUs with a jet engine as electrical generator causing all kinds of noise, but it's also just as likely this would've been a project that 5 years ago no one would've batted an eye over, and wouldn't cause any issues in the local neighborhood That…

I wonder if this will incentivize pushing compute back toward the user instead of in big centralized facilities, sonething like a repeat of the PC revolution. Or will it just incentivize harsher treatment of noncompliant parts of the population? Or just pushing these things far from urban areas where they probably should have been already? Probably a bit of each, and some more I'm not thinking of.

> the user instead of in big centralized facilities

Although that would be exponentially worse in terms of electricity and resource use, etc. - instead 1 TPU handling x,000 customers per month, now you need to build and power n,000 separate devices, where the vast majority of them are idle the vast majority of the time, and even then without all of the more efficient power, batching, etc that DCs offer.

> urban areas

The photo at the very top of the OP article shows a very low-density area. If someone was expecting to see urban-type density, it isn’t in the location shown in the photo.

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