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Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by toofy »

PlasmaPower wrote: post #8
HWR_14 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> water usage despite being less than golf courses, etc Golf courses are a common example of wasteful water use.

Then why is no one eminent domaining golf courses? Clearly there are other factors at play here

of course there are other factors at play here. has anyone tried to hide their motives?

look, i use llms for some work and for some hobby projects, but lets not pretend like the companies behind the llm bubble would ever fight fair. that would be naive to an extreme.

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by magicalist »

bri3d wrote: post #21
userbinator wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is basically zero truth about the water use propaganda. Liquid cooling is closed-cycle, just like in a car.

A sizable percentage of datacenters use open loop water spray towers, but the alternative, forced air exchange (ie add more giant fans) uses more electricity. It’s fairly complex to quantify which is “better” or “worse” but there exist data centers that evaporate a ton of water and send it elsewhere. (for what it’s worth I agree most of the anti datacenter hype is overblown and driven by specific poorly designed gas…

> driven by specific poorly designed gas turbine powered installations

*increasingly nonspecific. See [1] for example

[1] https://floodlightnews.org/ai-data-centers-texas-pollution-l...

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by DangitBobby »

senor_digimon wrote: post #46

My sincere theory is that this is finally the government/politics stepping in to take their cut from the AI revolution. The politicians now have a fee-based strategy where they can literally just stick a fee on any upcoming project(s). Pay up if you ever want your permits to go through and construction to get started.

They did it because people didn't want a data center next to the zoo. There was a huge backlash against it, and the locals are very happy that they were listened to, I can promise you. No conspiracy theory necessary.

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by kube-system »

conductr wrote: post #42
kortilla wrote: post #3

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Aesthetics are important. Everyone enjoys looking at a golf course, even non-golfers. Nobody wants to look at a datacenter. My general thought is, what’s the argument for placing them in populated areas to begin with? Why dedicate land use for it in Nashville? Wouldn’t putting it 40 miles outside town work just as well? Why don’t we create development zones specifically for these things? In Dallas we have a similar t…

> what’s the argument for placing them in populated areas to begin with?

Colos advertise their proximity to populated areas. It is desirable for physical access, latency, and connectivity.

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by [deleted] »

menthe wrote: post #34

Unfortunately - the widespread propaganda seen around both nuclear power plants and datacenters is ultimately going to cost America everything - the American way of life our child’s will inherit is going to mean something very different than what it meant for us. China controls 90-99% of the rare earths - which are necessary for everything from cars to defense, chips, energy and even construction steel; China control…

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Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by [deleted] »

DangitBobby wrote: post #54
senor_digimon wrote: post #46

My sincere theory is that this is finally the government/politics stepping in to take their cut from the AI revolution. The politicians now have a fee-based strategy where they can literally just stick a fee on any upcoming project(s). Pay up if you ever want your permits to go through and construction to get started.

They did it because people didn't want a data center next to the zoo. There was a huge backlash against it, and the locals are very happy that they were listened to, I can promise you. No conspiracy theory necessary.

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Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by jmkb »

conductr wrote: post #42
kortilla wrote: post #3

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Aesthetics are important. Everyone enjoys looking at a golf course, even non-golfers. Nobody wants to look at a datacenter. My general thought is, what’s the argument for placing them in populated areas to begin with? Why dedicate land use for it in Nashville? Wouldn’t putting it 40 miles outside town work just as well? Why don’t we create development zones specifically for these things? In Dallas we have a similar t…

I do not enjoy looking at a golf course. (A minigolf course is a different kettle of fish.. of course.)

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by runako »

kortilla wrote: post #3

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As the xAI debacle in Memphis showed, once construction begins the locality may lose the ability to enforce existing laws around e.g. noise, pollution, etc. that normally serve to contain negative externalities. (This is a side effect of the rule that people who are rich enough are immune from laws.)

Since more precision remedies are off the table, all that's left are gross mechanisms like bans and eminent domain.

Nobody sane would accede to admitting a new community member who is a priori immune to local laws.

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