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Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by peyton »

ElevenLathe wrote: post #40
mixdup wrote: post #24

I don't know what DC Blox was going to put in this particular datacenter, but they are a "traditional" colocation datacenter company. Maybe this one would've been superdense GPUs with a jet engine as electrical generator causing all kinds of noise, but it's also just as likely this would've been a project that 5 years ago no one would've batted an eye over, and wouldn't cause any issues in the local neighborhood That…

I wonder if this will incentivize pushing compute back toward the user instead of in big centralized facilities, sonething like a repeat of the PC revolution. Or will it just incentivize harsher treatment of noncompliant parts of the population? Or just pushing these things far from urban areas where they probably should have been already? Probably a bit of each, and some more I'm not thinking of.

It’s going to the high frontier. Orbital/lunar. It’s too important not to harden.

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by userbinator »

thedougd wrote: post #26
nullpoint420 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought this too. Apparently there’s open cooling systems as well that are more efficient

Yes. Evaporative cooling towers. I suppose in those cases nearly all the water used goes to atmosphere.

...which then comes down again as rain, and in those areas where it's dry enough that evaporative cooling works, the increased humidity might actually be a good thing.

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by altcognito »

flerchin wrote: post #20
kortilla wrote: post #3

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The biggest externality is the electrical usage. IDK why they keep mentioning water. The AI DCs are driving huge loads to grids, and all ratepayers are being asked to pay for that. IMO if they built a solar + battery farm on grid, paid by AI DCs, there would be no significant hurdles.

I used to think it was just electricity. It could be just electricity, but when they try to divert hundreds of millions of gallons out of water scarce resources like the colorado river[1] in dry, HOT areas where water usage rises -- you can begin to understand why people are irritated. Even if you get promises of using closed systems, corporations are liars.

I think these corporations do a lot of harm to their own arguments.

[1] - https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/data-center-develop...

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by JonathonW »

magicalist wrote: post #68
mixdup wrote: post #24

I don't know what DC Blox was going to put in this particular datacenter, but they are a "traditional" colocation datacenter company. Maybe this one would've been superdense GPUs with a jet engine as electrical generator causing all kinds of noise, but it's also just as likely this would've been a project that 5 years ago no one would've batted an eye over, and wouldn't cause any issues in the local neighborhood That…

> I don't know what DC Blox was going to put in this particular datacenter, but they are a "traditional" colocation datacenter company. Maybe this one would've been superdense GPUs... 50 MW for 69k square feet definitely points to relatively dense GPUs. Regardless of what DC Blox might have built five years ago, everyone knows what kind of datacenter is going to be booked solid right now.

The initial phase of construction (what DC Blox initially applied for permits for) is for 69k square feet at 10 MW.

But that is only a corner of the property that DC Blox acquired. Other documents filed during the permitting process include their long-term plan for the property, and that's where the 50 MW number comes from-- two buildings totaling 345k square feet of data center space, a 72k square foot electrical substation, plus support facilities (parking, guard houses, etc.).

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by kube-system »

hackernud3s wrote: post #75
kube-system wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what’s the argument for placing them in populated areas to begin with? Colos advertise their proximity to populated areas. It is desirable for physical access, latency, and connectivity.

Right? How do people not understand this? Have fun with your super-high latency when the DCs leave your city.

It’s not necessarily “super high” latency to connect to data centers at a distance. Whether or not it matters depends on the application, and for most consumer applications it isn’t a huge issue. For AI data centers it doesn’t really matter.

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by xyzzy123 »

senor_digimon wrote: post #46

My sincere theory is that this is finally the government/politics stepping in to take their cut from the AI revolution. The politicians now have a fee-based strategy where they can literally just stick a fee on any upcoming project(s). Pay up if you ever want your permits to go through and construction to get started.

The value prop for the crazy sounding idea of putting GPUs into orbit.

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by waterTanuki »

xiaodai wrote: post #53

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Good for the construction companies, the billion dollar corporations, and the whole 4 people needed to run each one.

Not once instance of these datacenters has proven to be beneficial for the communities and economies they're located in.

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by [deleted] »

hackernud3s wrote: post #75
kube-system wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what’s the argument for placing them in populated areas to begin with? Colos advertise their proximity to populated areas. It is desirable for physical access, latency, and connectivity.

Right? How do people not understand this? Have fun with your super-high latency when the DCs leave your city.

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