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Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by john_strinlai »

Hugsbox wrote: post #50
bko wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they can start enforcing the law when it comes to blatant offenders that terrorize large cities. Illegal blocking of sidewalk selling fake handbags, selling untaxed marijuana on street corners, violating traffic laws on e-bikes. A lot of wood to chop before they get to my jay walking so I think I’m safe for the time being. But I welcome more enforcement

This comment is satire, correct?

take a quick scroll through their substack, there's even funnier stuff than fake handbag outrage

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by mannanj »

Again, I get downvoted by the fear-police on hacker news for this:

- Montana LLC ownership of vehicles. Don't own your vehicles ya'll, and at least those license plates won't be traced to you.

- Speak to a lawyer for how to meet any lawful use-tax obligations. Don't use this to avoid paying legitimate sales tax.

- Maybe the insurance company tied to you and your driving of this vehicle, has a partnership with the flock network. Someone argued they could give away your vin-tied identity, though I haven't seen proof this is happening. Plus, if the market shows a need for insurance companies to offer privacy protection, maybe that will emerge.

I trust we can figure out a way to normalize privacy to stand up against crimes and abusive behavior by state officials, the bad police, and an elected class of corrupted leaders who do not care about everyones rights to protect their own safety over yours. I would love if more people would send a powerful message to their officials of how this unconstitutional violation and compromise of basic decency, dignity and safety for most people for the benefit of a few has consequences.

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by pstuart »

MSFT_Edging wrote: post #11

This is the big problem with mass surveillance as a whole. With enough time, they'll find some pretext to bring you in, even if the original crime they want you for is weak. This will ruin lives, even if they're eventually let go. Jobs lost, evicted from homes, cars towed, pets surrendered and put down. Lives will be completely derailed, police and judges will not be held accountable. The wrongful arrestees will stil…

Too many people will see this type of thing and go "I don't smoke weed so this is not a problem for me"

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by bko »

inigyou wrote: post #23
bko wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think using technology to capture alleged criminals is a good thing.

I agree. You stole $5 from me and I'm glad with the help of Flock you can be tracked down and brought to justice.

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Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by jst1fthsdys »

bko wrote: post #15
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #11

This is the big problem with mass surveillance as a whole. With enough time, they'll find some pretext to bring you in, even if the original crime they want you for is weak. This will ruin lives, even if they're eventually let go. Jobs lost, evicted from homes, cars towed, pets surrendered and put down. Lives will be completely derailed, police and judges will not be held accountable. The wrongful arrestees will stil…

Maybe they can start enforcing the law when it comes to blatant offenders that terrorize large cities. Illegal blocking of sidewalk selling fake handbags, selling untaxed marijuana on street corners, violating traffic laws on e-bikes. A lot of wood to chop before they get to my jay walking so I think I’m safe for the time being. But I welcome more enforcement

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Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by jimt1234 »

cogman10 wrote: post #70
mixdup wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't need probable cause to search his vehicle if he had a warrant. They can search his car because they are arresting him and towing the vehicle

> They don't need probable cause to search his vehicle if he had a warrant. Incorrect. Warrants have to be specific. An arrest warrant is not a general search warrant (in fact, general search warrants aren't legal). You don't lose your rights because a cop is arresting you. Now, what can happen (and probably would happen) is the cops can take a drug sniffing dog to the car when it goes to impound and while the owner…

Cops have used the "odor of marijuana" for years as probable cause to search vehicles. AFAIK the courts have generally supported it.

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by whatisthiseven »

hereme888 wrote: post #71
ck2 wrote: post #32

is anyone else old enough to remember when cops first got tasers suddenly EVERYONE was getting tased it's like that give them a new "toy" to combat violent crime and instead it's used on everything else because zero repercussions I am starting to see Flock on the side of the road at every major shopping center unfortunately like "kavanaugh stops" I suspect the supreme court is going to put their permission into concr…

Um, what? Have you seen any cop tasing videos? I've never seen it abused in every video I've seen (hundreds).

I know you are being sarcastic, but for others: I saw one literally yesterday of a game and wildlife officer tasing a man pumping gas. The gas spilled and then caught on fire. The tased man partially caught on fire and fell to the ground getting bruises.

The officer continued yelling at him to comply, all the while the man was ablaze, shocked, and bruised.

Cops should have tasers taken away. They believe they are "make people do what I say" devices rather than the rare "make this extremely violent person who is an imminent threat to life and person stop being violent temporarily so other officers can continue to use non-lethal force to de-escalate the situation".

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by bko »

preg_match wrote: post #46
bko wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think using technology to capture alleged criminals is a good thing.

I think everyone agrees. Where the disagreement lies is if this is how the technology is actually used, and the answer seems to be: no. Regardless, even if the technology was used currently purely for good, when you’re “pro surveillance” you’re actually arguing it will always be used for good, even in some hypothetical future with hypothetical politics. That’s a very hard sell.

I'm pro technology. Being pro something does not mean I'm arguing it will always be used for good. What kind of standard is that?

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by Windchaser »

bko wrote: post #60
smallybigs wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brother, you want mass surveillance because of bikes, handbags, and weed. I guarantee there is _some_ group that finds some aspect of you, your life, or that of some of your loved ones at least as annoying as you find those things.

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> "filth and crime"

checks, it's "people selling untaxed marijuana"

Yeahhhh, we have radically different ideas about what constitutes "they're terrorizing my city".

Casual use of heavy-handed law enforcement makes things much, much worse, not better.

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by Der_Einzige »

Y'all want to shit on hippie liberal states like Oregon that keep the police in a tight leash and de-facto decriminalized everything, but we had a whole state appeals court decision on this exact issue that means this should would NOT happen here:

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/or-court-of-appeals/212471...

As usual, homie was in the wrong state.

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