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Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by skeeter2020 »

segmondy wrote: post #31
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #11

This is the big problem with mass surveillance as a whole. With enough time, they'll find some pretext to bring you in, even if the original crime they want you for is weak. This will ruin lives, even if they're eventually let go. Jobs lost, evicted from homes, cars towed, pets surrendered and put down. Lives will be completely derailed, police and judges will not be held accountable. The wrongful arrestees will stil…

Someone that is innocent is going to get killed soon because flock flagged them incorrectly. I recall reading the auto journalist that got flagged for a stolen car while test driving a car. We have seen how often pull over/arrests can derail when a stupid cop that is aggressive pulls out their weapon first, fires fast and then investigates last. An innocent person that reacts wrongly is eventually going to make the n…

Woman with SUV filled with minors pulled out by cops and handcuffed on the ground in Colorado based on flock ID'ing the license plate of stolen... motorcycle with same number (but from a different state). You can't make this shit up.

https://www.kxlf.com/news/america-in-crisis/aurora-police-de...

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by skeeter2020 »

bastardoperator wrote: post #52
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #11

This is the big problem with mass surveillance as a whole. With enough time, they'll find some pretext to bring you in, even if the original crime they want you for is weak. This will ruin lives, even if they're eventually let go. Jobs lost, evicted from homes, cars towed, pets surrendered and put down. Lives will be completely derailed, police and judges will not be held accountable. The wrongful arrestees will stil…

How do the municipalities "own" this data if anyone from any agency outside of a jurisdiction is allowed to access the data?

worse than that, federal agencies - which can't access it directly - do so via their "law enforcement partners". So now you've got DHS and ICE using it for their own pseudo-law activities.

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by bko »

contagiousflow wrote: post #24
bko wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they can start enforcing the law when it comes to blatant offenders that terrorize large cities. Illegal blocking of sidewalk selling fake handbags, selling untaxed marijuana on street corners, violating traffic laws on e-bikes. A lot of wood to chop before they get to my jay walking so I think I’m safe for the time being. But I welcome more enforcement

> terrorize large cities Oh I wonder what kind of terror he's talking about > Illegal blocking of sidewalk selling fake handbags Jesus Christ. If this is what brings you to a surveillance state with open arms maybe you should talk to people outside of your bubble.

It doesn't have to be like this. Why do you accept it? Serious question. You don't need a surveillance state. How many indignities do you stomach for what exactly? Some false sense of freedom? Freedom to buy illegal unlicensed untaxed weed? Freedom to get run over by a delivery ebike?

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by [deleted] »

insanitybit wrote: post #41
giantg2 wrote: post #22

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"Even if they're wrong, you can't shoot back." Depends on the situation. You'd absolutely be arrested. Get in front of a jury of 12 people and you might have a chance if you have enough evidence for a self-defense claim and the cop acting outside of the law.

Only if the jury believes in nullification, which isn't common. The jury is instructed to follow the law. The selection process asks "even if you think they were right, if it's against the law and they were guilty would you issue a guilty verdict?" and people answer "yes" consistently.

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Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by skeeter2020 »

sail2boat3 wrote: post #56

Not from the US, but I really wish folks from the US started thinking of creative ways to "produce probable cause" (if that makes any sense), get stopped without any harm, assemble enough individual cases into some kind of catalogue, and then be able to show people just how much the whole thing is bad with evidence that did not result in them actually getting what they were looking for. If I asked a random person abo…

>> "produce probable cause" (if that makes any sense), get stopped without any harm, ...

This is a very dangerous game, especially if you're not white.

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by MengerSponge »

MSFT_Edging wrote: post #11

This is the big problem with mass surveillance as a whole. With enough time, they'll find some pretext to bring you in, even if the original crime they want you for is weak. This will ruin lives, even if they're eventually let go. Jobs lost, evicted from homes, cars towed, pets surrendered and put down. Lives will be completely derailed, police and judges will not be held accountable. The wrongful arrestees will stil…

Necessary reading: "Ham Sandwich Nation: Due Process When Everything is a Crime"

https://ir.law.utk.edu/utklaw_facpubs/468/

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by giantg2 »

insanitybit wrote: post #41
giantg2 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Even if they're wrong, you can't shoot back." Depends on the situation. You'd absolutely be arrested. Get in front of a jury of 12 people and you might have a chance if you have enough evidence for a self-defense claim and the cop acting outside of the law.

Only if the jury believes in nullification, which isn't common. The jury is instructed to follow the law. The selection process asks "even if you think they were right, if it's against the law and they were guilty would you issue a guilty verdict?" and people answer "yes" consistently.

"Only if the jury believes in nullification, which isn't common. The jury is instructed to follow the law."

Not true. There is case law that allows for self-defense against unlawful use of force, or when when you reasonably believe the force was not coming from an officer (didn't announce, were not uniformed, believed to be imposters, etc).

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by daun_gee »

bko wrote: post #60
smallybigs wrote: post #37

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Brother, you want mass surveillance because of bikes, handbags, and weed. I guarantee there is _some_ group that finds some aspect of you, your life, or that of some of your loved ones at least as annoying as you find those things.

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Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by cogman10 »

mixdup wrote: post #58
fusslo wrote: post #49

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Ok, the article is confusing but the complaint is a little better. > The vehicle was registered to Edward 12-01-1993. Edward had an active Brown County felony warrant with nationwide extradition. so he wasn't just wanted but also had an active warrant. > Multiple Deputies checked the area but were unable to locate the vehicle at that time Police tried arresting him before, but couldn't find him. The police then used…

They don't need probable cause to search his vehicle if he had a warrant. They can search his car because they are arresting him and towing the vehicle

> They don't need probable cause to search his vehicle if he had a warrant.

Incorrect. Warrants have to be specific. An arrest warrant is not a general search warrant (in fact, general search warrants aren't legal). You don't lose your rights because a cop is arresting you.

Now, what can happen (and probably would happen) is the cops can take a drug sniffing dog to the car when it goes to impound and while the owner isn't there and claim "Oh, the dog signaled on the car so we searched it".

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