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Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by daun_gee »

bko wrote: post #15
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #11

This is the big problem with mass surveillance as a whole. With enough time, they'll find some pretext to bring you in, even if the original crime they want you for is weak. This will ruin lives, even if they're eventually let go. Jobs lost, evicted from homes, cars towed, pets surrendered and put down. Lives will be completely derailed, police and judges will not be held accountable. The wrongful arrestees will stil…

Maybe they can start enforcing the law when it comes to blatant offenders that terrorize large cities. Illegal blocking of sidewalk selling fake handbags, selling untaxed marijuana on street corners, violating traffic laws on e-bikes. A lot of wood to chop before they get to my jay walking so I think I’m safe for the time being. But I welcome more enforcement

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Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by giantg2 »

MSFT_Edging wrote: post #11

This is the big problem with mass surveillance as a whole. With enough time, they'll find some pretext to bring you in, even if the original crime they want you for is weak. This will ruin lives, even if they're eventually let go. Jobs lost, evicted from homes, cars towed, pets surrendered and put down. Lives will be completely derailed, police and judges will not be held accountable. The wrongful arrestees will stil…

"Even if they're wrong, you can't shoot back."

Depends on the situation. You'd absolutely be arrested. Get in front of a jury of 12 people and you might have a chance if you have enough evidence for a self-defense claim and the cop acting outside of the law.

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by inigyou »

bko wrote: post #17
hwillis wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. those charges were dismissed 2. the article address that specifically: > The case is an example of Flock cameras being used to arrest a wanted alleged criminal suspected of committing a violent crime. But it is also an example of police surveillance overreach *in that the cameras were specifically used to create a pretext to tack on additional petty crimes* based primarily on where a person’s vehicle had traveled.

I think using technology to capture alleged criminals is a good thing.

I agree. You stole $5 from me and I'm glad with the help of Flock you can be tracked down and brought to justice.

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by contagiousflow »

bko wrote: post #15
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #11

This is the big problem with mass surveillance as a whole. With enough time, they'll find some pretext to bring you in, even if the original crime they want you for is weak. This will ruin lives, even if they're eventually let go. Jobs lost, evicted from homes, cars towed, pets surrendered and put down. Lives will be completely derailed, police and judges will not be held accountable. The wrongful arrestees will stil…

Maybe they can start enforcing the law when it comes to blatant offenders that terrorize large cities. Illegal blocking of sidewalk selling fake handbags, selling untaxed marijuana on street corners, violating traffic laws on e-bikes. A lot of wood to chop before they get to my jay walking so I think I’m safe for the time being. But I welcome more enforcement

> terrorize large cities

Oh I wonder what kind of terror he's talking about

> Illegal blocking of sidewalk selling fake handbags

Jesus Christ. If this is what brings you to a surveillance state with open arms maybe you should talk to people outside of your bubble.

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by TZubiri »

I don't quite get the thesis of the author here. Regardless of the view that one may have on Cannabis laws, they are illegal, if the system is correctly detaining people that break those laws, and you have a problem with that, is the problem with the enforcement system or the law?

If you don't like some aspect of this, should you be campaigning for removal of flock cameras? Or campaigning for cannabis rights and Controlled Substances reform?

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by saghm »

giantg2 wrote: post #22
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #11

This is the big problem with mass surveillance as a whole. With enough time, they'll find some pretext to bring you in, even if the original crime they want you for is weak. This will ruin lives, even if they're eventually let go. Jobs lost, evicted from homes, cars towed, pets surrendered and put down. Lives will be completely derailed, police and judges will not be held accountable. The wrongful arrestees will stil…

"Even if they're wrong, you can't shoot back." Depends on the situation. You'd absolutely be arrested. Get in front of a jury of 12 people and you might have a chance if you have enough evidence for a self-defense claim and the cop acting outside of the law.

Honestly getting arrested would be lucky. If recent years have shown anything, they don't need to be particularly concerned about removing you from the picture more permanently regardless of the circumstances.

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by WarmWash »

Ccecil wrote: post #20

Based on my observations (news reports, local chatter, etc) it seems that every state that borders a state with legal Cannabis does this. Idaho does this very frequently (since just about every border is a legal source). They take advantages of the bottlenecks on highways and have cameras and/or officers there. If it is Flock, interagency communications, license plate readers or just "enhanced stops" for things like…

They did this in my state, and now that other state has been legal for over a year and a half, but the cameras are all still there

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #14
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #11

This is the big problem with mass surveillance as a whole. With enough time, they'll find some pretext to bring you in, even if the original crime they want you for is weak. This will ruin lives, even if they're eventually let go. Jobs lost, evicted from homes, cars towed, pets surrendered and put down. Lives will be completely derailed, police and judges will not be held accountable. The wrongful arrestees will stil…

>This will ruin lives, even if they're eventually let go. Jobs lost, evicted from homes, cars towed, pets surrendered and put down. Yes. That's exactly the point. Comply with every little thing, no matter how absurd, or else your life will unravel. Look through a historical comment (especially from back when "big data" was the buzzword) thread on any subject where HN is pro regulation and pro government. This is EXAC…

All very terrifying but you're building a "Hollow Man" by using an "Appeal to Extremes".

Instead of arguing against actual regulatory policy, you are mind-reading malicious intent into hypothetical scenarios (and people) you just invented. Or real examples that you're broadstroking against a "they" which is somehow "HN."

I am not sure how you can justify trying to paint so broad a stroke across an entire community, or feel justified in creating a bucket of "useful idiots" into which you just throw whole classes of unnamed people without engaging with any particular argument.

I get you're angry, my man, but maybe you should question exactly who it is you're angry with.

Re: Cops Used Flock to Track a Man Across State Lines for a Pretextual Weed Search

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Post by BeefySwain »

giantg2 wrote: post #22
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #11

This is the big problem with mass surveillance as a whole. With enough time, they'll find some pretext to bring you in, even if the original crime they want you for is weak. This will ruin lives, even if they're eventually let go. Jobs lost, evicted from homes, cars towed, pets surrendered and put down. Lives will be completely derailed, police and judges will not be held accountable. The wrongful arrestees will stil…

"Even if they're wrong, you can't shoot back." Depends on the situation. You'd absolutely be arrested. Get in front of a jury of 12 people and you might have a chance if you have enough evidence for a self-defense claim and the cop acting outside of the law.

Good luck living long enough to see a jury
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