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All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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That would make the loss $48,000 ;)

Wait until you find out where they get the money from to replace them

So like OT for one officer in a year that they're practically guaranteed because of union kickbacks and municipal corruption?

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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60% of the spouses of police officers report being victims of domestic violence. The other 40% are too scared to answer honestly. Seems like that might be indicative of a problem?

Not necessarily. One can accept that violent people do a violent job and commit violence in their home life. Anyways, that study that everyone loves to cite is like 30 or 40 years old and unreplicated.

"not necessarly" and "more likely" are not at all at odds with each other.

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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The dictionary is an attempt at systematically defining the semantic meaning of language subject to cultural constraints in the same way that a writing system is an attempt at visually rendering a spoken language subject to technological constraints. I know from personal experience that the people who work on dictionaries have a less authoritative view about them than you do.

dictionaries and common usage (e.g. wikipedia, forums, news, etc.) are certainly more authoritative than a random person unilaterally deciding that a word has no meaning and declaring "dictionaries and wikipedia are wrong" if you poll 100 random english speakers and the majority come back saying that they have no idea what "third world" means, or say that the term is meaningless, i will concede and donate $1,000 to a…

I stated what is very obviously an opinion and never claimed to be an authority

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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Police officers are also statistically more likely to abuse their spouses. Don't let the women you care about get involved with cops.

Lesbians too [0]. And people who don’t make much money [1]. And people who aren’t Asian [2]. And athletes, and people who like sports [3]. Applying group statistics to judge individual people is almost never proper, and lies at the root of an awful lot of inhumanity. I hope and imagine the women in question are capable of thinking (and judging) for themselves. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_le…

> Applying group statistics to judge individual people is almost never proper

That's literally the job of statistics: make use of a lot of data about a population of instances to make a decision about an instance.

It's like saying, it's unfair to use safety data about Chevys in deciding whether to buy one.

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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It might be their intended use (from a police department's perspective), but it's certainly not their intended function. Flock collects these images, and uses them to train statistical models, and sells those models to police departments as a one-click crime solving solution. That means that their primary function is to passively aggregate driver behavior into an automated judgement system, where the entire judicial…

You may be right but that's too conspiracy-theory for me. Most things are as they appear. Either way, I don't support it.

It's not a theory. It's literally what they market and sell.

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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If I'm ever on the jury of somebody charged with this, the prosecution has an incredibly high burden to convince me the poles and the cameras on them didn't die of natural causes. Maybe if police weren't using Flock cameras to stalk their ex-wives [1][2]. There's an interesting angle to the Flock issue I heard recently. Some predominantly black communities prefer Flock cameras because they're over-policed, black men…

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Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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Why would you think that and be so confident?

Because it’s a matter of public record. Thousands of executed contracts between flock safety and its customers are public. Here’s one which makes clear that flock retains ownership and is actually entering into a hybrid hardware lease and concurrent services agreement. https://53024.org/documents

Who pays when a leased car is destroyed?

The point is the city is on the hook for damaged hardware.

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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Coincidentally, ran into a YouTube short testing how to cut down steel poles quickly yesterday, with battery powered tools. Sawzall, 1m 15s, circular saw 1m, circular saw like 20s. https://youtube.com/shorts/aAc3Kq0bFPs Yet to see anyone describe what to do once they are down. They for sure have all manners of wicked battery backed up trackers etc, I'm sure. (This would be highly illegal to do and you should not do i…

an into a YouTube short testing how to cut down steel poles quickly yesterday, with battery powered tools. Sawzall, 1m 15s, circular saw 1m, circular saw like 20s. Manual pole cutters have existed for at least 100 years. No batteries. Almost zero noise. You put one on the pole, walk around the pole once, and it's cut. They were used a lot in the 1970's when people were rebelling against parking meters. I believe it's…

CHL was cutting very thick steel pipe with a pipe cutter with a handle. Pipe cutters for aluminum pipe are discreet and pocket-sized.

An efficient, conspicuous alternative would be a handheld bandsaw which is faster than a sawzall.

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