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All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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Post by gs17 »

reactordev wrote: post #135
ricardobayes wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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sounds like you need to move west of 8-mile... If you live in a community that can't police, then sure, flock is your answer. Everyone is under surveillance now. Except you are innocent until proven guilty. Video evidence is becoming less and less credible due to AI. It's a slippery slope. I would rather police be trained to look for clues and do actual police work than wait for a "ping" on some automated system that…

8 Mile is an east-west road. He'd want north of 8-mile. Sorry to nitpick, but it's hard not to being from just north of 8 Mile Road.

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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Post by Henchman21 »

stackghost wrote: post #128
GolfPopper wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Police used Flock's license plate network to stalk women in at least 50 cases https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/police-used-flocks-lice...

Police officers are also statistically more likely to abuse their spouses. Don't let the women you care about get involved with cops.

60% of the spouses of police officers report being victims of domestic violence. The other 40% are too scared to answer honestly.

Seems like that might be indicative of a problem?

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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Post by buellerbueller »

charcircuit wrote: post #144
marky1991 wrote: post #45

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What do you mean by 'removed from society'? Do you really mean you think someone should get a life sentence for stealing some cameras? Do you mean they should be executed? Something else? And then you say 'to set an example'. By that, do you mean 'they should be punished in excess of the harm they caused, to deter others from doing the same'? If so, by its very nature, that's obviously unjust and immoral. Your reacti…

I mean that a person or group of people who intentionally plan and execute a campaign of crimes in order to become the new rule of law should not be tolerated. Frankly, I do not care what happens to them, but it should send a clear signal that others are unable to enforce their own rule no longer. The idea that different random groups can enforce their own rules of law leads to anarchy and must be quenched.

When Flock camera or data center agreements are negotiated in secret with no public input, or are done over the overwhelming rejection by the public, is that not its own "new rule of law"?

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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Post by john_strinlai »

f6v wrote: post #151
stackghost wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Police officers are also statistically more likely to abuse their spouses. Don't let the women you care about get involved with cops.

> Don't let the women you care about get involved with cops. I don't see any difference between what you just said and "13-85".

>and "13-85".

what does this specific lingo mean? normal searches and ai are both as confused as i am

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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Post by eli »

dgrin91 wrote: post #105
ortusdux wrote: post #13

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Are they contractually obligated to replace them? IIRC, some municipalities have been covering the cameras with trash bags because they cannot turn them off or remove them until their contract expires.

I think there is a difference between turning them off/removing and having them be stolen/destroyed. I would be shocked if they would be forced to repurchase them.

They're usually leased. So yeah they probably owe Flock new ones.

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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Post by overfeed »

nchmy wrote: post #111
autoexec wrote: post #35

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It wasn't private property. It belonged to the people and the people decided they didn't want it. It's bad to see people being forced to break the law to retain their freedom, but it's a good thing that folks are still willing to fight for it.

A handful of thieves/activists are not "the people". A town hall, vote etc... would have the backing of "the people". If that happens and theyre still not removed, then perhaps actions like these might be justified.

Perhaps the activists were representing the people, but were unfortunately under a Makita/DeWalt NDA, and cannot make public their deliberations and actions just yet. Rest assured they are acting in your best interests.

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

FireBeyond wrote: post #138

One of my bigger concerns with this story, given the Flock CEO's public statements, and this Administration's attitude towards such things is how easy it might be to attempt to spin, or pursue, this as "domestic terrorism" rather than "vandalism".

Half the country already considers that label a joke.

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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Post by quickthrowman »

stackghost wrote: post #128
GolfPopper wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Police used Flock's license plate network to stalk women in at least 50 cases https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/police-used-flocks-lice...

Police officers are also statistically more likely to abuse their spouses. Don't let the women you care about get involved with cops.

People who use the threat of violence and actual violence to control people at work being more likely to do so at home to their own family seems self-evident to me.

Not making any moral judgements, if I used violence professionally I’d expect myself to be more violent in general.

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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Post by DeusExMachina »

ricardobayes wrote: post #72
reactordev wrote: post #33

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Small towns don't want people spying on them. Small towns also are prime targets for pushing over with your federal approvals to force them into giving you their tax money in the name of "safety". Someone got paid.

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Wait, aren't they just licence plate readers? How do they help with all these other crimes?

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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Post by Spivak »

Cyclone_ wrote: post #61
calculatte wrote: post #7

So one of the public-private backdoors to erode citizen's rights is being undermined. Such a shame.

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I feel like none of the replies are really cutting to the core of what the problem with your logic actually is—because your way of thinking is incredibly common in tech since it's what we do all day. The fallacy is scale invariance, that the nature of a thing doesn't change when the scale does. Anything you can do you can put in a for loop.

And the equivalence you're drawing is that the fundamental nature of someone recording a video with their phone is the same as a digital panopticon.

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