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All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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sure hope whomever did that knows what they signed up for

this is not how you affect political change no matter how noble

over $1000 in damage so felony

and if they went from location to location with a smartphone pinging, all cops have to do is find out what phone was at all those locations

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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> Police use the technology to investigate crimes such as hit-and-runs and to locate missing persons. > No suspects have been identified. Yeah, that tracks. > Camera data is owned by the police department and permanently deleted after 30 days. I assume this means that the police department deletes one local copy?

> Camera data is owned by the police department and permanently deleted after 30 days There's so much going on in that sentence! What a thing of pure PR beauty. What does "owned" mean in this sentence? Probably fairly little. What data does it even refer to? Just the actual video footage? Does the statement include derived data like license plate reads or ML models? And surely if data is flagged as relevant to an inv…

Yes, the police own the videos they take of you? Like LLM companies own the models they digest from the texts they don't own?

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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> Camera data is owned by the police department and permanently deleted after 30 days There's so much going on in that sentence! What a thing of pure PR beauty. What does "owned" mean in this sentence? Probably fairly little. What data does it even refer to? Just the actual video footage? Does the statement include derived data like license plate reads or ML models? And surely if data is flagged as relevant to an inv…

most likely the videos are deleted because it'd be a ginormous expense to keep it around; everything else, yeah, it's not being deleted.

It might be deleted at the PD, does not mean it wasn't uploaded to Flock DCs for metadata analysis and retained there.

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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I would be against people standing on every single corner taking video of other citizens 24/7 and handing it over to a private company, yes.

don't forget the taxpayer funds being spent on it!

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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Small towns don't want people spying on them. Small towns also are prime targets for pushing over with your federal approvals to force them into giving you their tax money in the name of "safety". Someone got paid.

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sounds like you need to move west of 8-mile...

If you live in a community that can't police, then sure, flock is your answer. Everyone is under surveillance now. Except you are innocent until proven guilty. Video evidence is becoming less and less credible due to AI. It's a slippery slope. I would rather police be trained to look for clues and do actual police work than wait for a "ping" on some automated system that they check from their computer desk.

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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Curious about the official YCombinator stance on this extremely unpopular YCombinator-backed startup (unpopular here at HN anyway).

if you want to tackle the POV of the true believers at Y Combinator*: look, flock can't be that effective if all it takes is a guy with a ladder to defeat it, right? same thing with pervasive facial detection, you can wear a mask. you don't have to go into all this philosophical stuff to see how the promises will not be fulfilled. *Garry Tan has been characterized as a True Believer, in that he sincerely believes Flo…

the Thiel Anti Christ Chats at Garry Tan's house is run by Anduril founders.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/2025/08/michelle-stephens-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trae_Stephens

It's hard for me to understand how any of this is very Christian.

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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Small towns don't want people spying on them. Small towns also are prime targets for pushing over with your federal approvals to force them into giving you their tax money in the name of "safety". Someone got paid.

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Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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One of my bigger concerns with this story, given the Flock CEO's public statements, and this Administration's attitude towards such things is how easy it might be to attempt to spin, or pursue, this as "domestic terrorism" rather than "vandalism".

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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Does anyone actually know how the data is stored? They seem to _imply_ they're not storing images, merely license plates. Oh, and presence of bumper stickers bike racks and other vehicle metadata to create a unique fingerprint. So are they implying they merely store a descriptive hash, and discard the images? Of course, until the revenue knob needs a little tweak, and they start hashing the human data....

Does it matter? It's stored. If you have the data it can be misused.

Yes, it matters to me, because I'm curious.

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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Do you have any hard numbers from your community on how many cases had flock as crucial to resolving the case? When my community banned them, the police were only able to offer a single vehicle theft case as positive evidence, but the data was being sent to police stations and locally unpopular federal agencies clear across the country. We could have spent the municipal budget on giving the victims a new car with far…

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