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All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

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Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

#81

I suspect there is more at play here than activism. In many 3rd World places you must conceal/hide surveillance cameras because they are a valuable asset worth stealing.

PSA: third world means non-aligned in the cold war. It's use in 2026 is meaningless at best.

Today I learned something new. Thank you

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

#82

> Police use the technology to investigate crimes such as hit-and-runs and to locate missing persons. > No suspects have been identified. Yeah, that tracks. > Camera data is owned by the police department and permanently deleted after 30 days. I assume this means that the police department deletes one local copy?

Police used Flock's license plate network to stalk women in at least 50 cases

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/police-used-flocks-lice...

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

#83

So one of the public-private backdoors to erode citizen's rights is being undermined. Such a shame.

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US courts have held, in multiple cases now, that creating a massive network of datapoints over time, aggregated together, can be a 4th amendment violation in a way that a single datapoint is not.

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

#84
post #23

Curious about the official YCombinator stance on this extremely unpopular YCombinator-backed startup (unpopular here at HN anyway).

if you want to tackle the POV of the true believers at Y Combinator*: look, flock can't be that effective if all it takes is a guy with a ladder to defeat it, right? same thing with pervasive facial detection, you can wear a mask. you don't have to go into all this philosophical stuff to see how the promises will not be fulfilled. *Garry Tan has been characterized as a True Believer, in that he sincerely believes Flo…

> or other defense stuff. so it's very exceptional for them.

9 Mothers.

https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/9-mothers-corporation

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

#85

> Police use the technology to investigate crimes such as hit-and-runs and to locate missing persons. > No suspects have been identified. Yeah, that tracks. > Camera data is owned by the police department and permanently deleted after 30 days. I assume this means that the police department deletes one local copy?

> Camera data is owned by the police department and permanently deleted after 30 days There's so much going on in that sentence! What a thing of pure PR beauty. What does "owned" mean in this sentence? Probably fairly little. What data does it even refer to? Just the actual video footage? Does the statement include derived data like license plate reads or ML models? And surely if data is flagged as relevant to an inv…

most likely the videos are deleted because it'd be a ginormous expense to keep it around; everything else, yeah, it's not being deleted.

Re: All of Winona Police Department's Flock cameras cut down and stolen

#88
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you've read anything Garry Tan has said, you wouldn't be curious.

Care to enlighten us?

I believe Garry Tan would enlighten you if you read/listened to him

edit: to be clear, I dont think Tan is capable of "enlightening" anyone. I was responding to the lazy comment above...

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