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Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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Post by ummonk »

blltprfmnk wrote: post #40
znpy wrote: post #31

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I really think this is apple feeling really threatened rather than confidential data really being stolen. Apple is known for threatening companies that hire from them, and occasionally having secret agreements with other companies not to hire from each other. People move from a company to a direct competitor all the time (i have a number of friends that went from working at aws to working on gcloud for example) and g…

I don’t know where you’re drawing your conclusions from but they literally have messages from the OpenAI exec laughing at how he can still access data at Apple and talking about copying it, as well as messages encouraging candidates from Apple to bring unreleased prototype hardware to demonstrate during interviews.

I thought those were just allegations they made in the lawsuit, not necessarily something they had written evidence of in the form of messages.

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Post by paxys »

This entire OpenAI hardware thing is a vanity project by Sam Altman wanting really bad to be Steve Jobs. Just look at this comical announcment photo and letter from last year https://openai.com/sam-and-jony/. If this lawsuit results in the whole thing getting canned it might actually be good for OpenAI because it'll save them from pouring further billions down the drain over what will eventually be the Humane Pin 2.0.

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Post by Tostino »

user43928 wrote: post #119
ifwinterco wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some industries (e.g. law) are close knit, at the top level everyone knows everyone, you’d get blacklisted for pulling stuff like this. But tech isn’t like that, there’s always a new startup and a new VC firm that don’t care that you ripped off every single previous person you worked with, stole trade secrets… maybe this time will be different

In the hiring process for tech, is it common to have a background check that unearths your mishandling of trade secrets? Or maybe word gets around locally or for special research positions.

Not that I've done a ton of hiring, but no, that hasn't been common anywhere I've worked. The tech world is huge, it's easy to go somewhere else, outside of whatever bubble of people you've burned in the past, and start again.

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Post by wildzzz »

maxwells-daemon wrote: post #110
ipaddr wrote: post #39

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Funny enough, I had some valuable stuff (including my passport!) stolen from my car, which I'd left unlocked because I was moving some heavy boxes. The police in my area (bay area) said they couldn't really do anything about it because they didn't break a window. I don't know exactly what legal technicalities are involved, but this did actually happen to me in a de facto sense!

That's cops being lazy because they now don't need to write a report for your car insurance to replace the non-broken window. However, your homeowners or renters insurance may cover the stolen items. In general, there's probably nothing to do about stolen items from a car because literally anyone could have done it and it's not like your car was a sterile environment to begin with (millions of fingerprints and pieces of random DNA everywhere). To give them the benefit of the doubt, why should they expel manpower and resources over items that your insurance will replace when those resources could be put to use in investigating violent crimes? Although in reality, even with photographic evidence and location tracking of the stolen items, the cops still probably won't do anything other than write a report unless it's a very slow day.

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Post by walrus01 »

paxys wrote: post #123

This entire OpenAI hardware thing is a vanity project by Sam Altman wanting really bad to be Steve Jobs. Just look at this comical announcment photo and letter from last year https://openai.com/sam-and-jony/ . If this lawsuit results in the whole thing getting canned it might actually be good for OpenAI because it'll save them from pouring further billions down the drain over what will eventually be the Humane Pin 2.…

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Post by Melatonic »

Saw this in the legal filing:

"he took advantage of an authentication bug to gain access to Apple’s confidential third-party cloud repository to download at least thirty-seven highly sensitive and proprietary technical documents related to, among other things, Apple’s hardware technologies and research and development."

Anybody know what they mean by "third party" ? Who provides Apple internal employees with a cloud repository?

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Post by tw600040 »

paul7986 wrote: post #53
SiempreViernes wrote: post #5

> And, [OpenAI] said that Apple didn’t admit to the claim that the “residual access” allowing former employees to access Apple’s system was the result of poor security procedures on Apple’s part. Sam "I hack others by mistake" Altman dunking on the security practice of others is funny, is there any glass house he won't go to?

Maybe Apple will buy Open AI at a rock bottom price after this lawsuit. I've used chatGPT voice conversation tech since Sept 2023 and was expecting the new Siri to match the user experience. The new Siri is far far away from matching chatGPT's voice tech. The new Siri is smarter and can now answer your question for anything yet it's SLOWer and you can not have a full conversation with it. I continually have to say "H…

Because chatGPT can get away with listening to you all the time, but if Siri does that without it being explicitly prompted it will be a class action
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